Two-rope Working - an update

[Pete Mctree]

20 minutes ago, Jamie Jones said:

I am sorry but I am not thick enough to need retraining every three years. If training companies want to do training on updated regulation aspects when there is big changes like what is being proposed then I would take advantage of that.

But in the last year in have had to go from competent to qualified for many aspects of my business I now have over 20x NPTC City & Guilds qualifications. If I had to renew them at cost inc VAT every three years this would cost me over £ 8,000 and take out 3x months of working days.  Sorry but this is unfeasable when self employed.

Lets be clear I don't  forget how to use a back pack blower, a walk behind mower, a ride on mower, a chipper, a chainsaw etc. If you are struggling and have the money to burn, or your forgetful then please feel free to redo all your tickets especially if you are paying for them.

I don't mind redoing First Aid as new stuff is always coming out and the more practice you have the better as you don't actually practice this in any way unless there is an incident.

Also on a cost basis it might be easier to add these costs and loss of earning if you are in affluent areas with minimal competition. But for those of us who are not price is always a major issue and many people simply can't afford this.

 

Irrespective of what you think, even in Arb you are supposed to do refresher training every 5 years ( one for ground units & one areial).

Many ignore it, but it is a requirement

[Ian C]

The HSE would be better bringing in tighter regulations for the industry and driving the cowboys out instead of this BS, all this does is cater for the lowest denominator (shit tradesmen) and makes it harder for the competent, its a bit like saying all chippy's cant use circular saws because there dangerous and everybody has to go back to a hand saw because some mong isn't competent! the only thing this will benefit is the training industry as they will be able to milk the old cow even more!

[Ian C]

6 minutes ago, Pete Mctree said:

Irrespective of what you think, even in Arb you are supposed to do refresher training every 5 years ( one for ground units & one areial).

Many ignore it, but it is a requirement

its only a recommendation not a requirement in law.

[Mike Hill]

1 hour ago, patrickgalloway3 said:

As an individual who does a mixture of tree work and IRATA rope access work it is perhaps time for a change. Rope access companies can work to British standards which are generally a lower level of training and competency than IRATA. Tree surgery has managed to stay incredibly unregulated for a long time. I have to renew my level 3 IRATA competency every 3years. I did my nptc38 and 39 in 2000 and as far as I am aware it is still valid. If the industry wants to be taken seriously continued training and assessment should be incouraged. 

Have as many ropes as you like, but non of them are attached to a rated anchor in Treework and that's where alot of this falls apart.

 

A chainsaw will sever two ropes just as fast as one.

[Bob Rolfe]

I haven’t seen a decent demonstration on a regular job yet not a big old oak with loads of room maybe a dense hawthorn or a multi stemmed Acer or ash reduction normal everyday stuff where throw bags are useless and fluid movement with one rope is hard enough already

[Bob Rolfe]

What I can see happening is the majority of arbs not adopting a system that is obviously gonna be hard to implement on a good percentage of jobs then if accidents do happen the personal insurance will be void

[Rich Rule]

3 hours ago, patrickgalloway3 said:

As an individual who does a mixture of tree work and IRATA rope access work it is perhaps time for a change. Rope access companies can work to British standards which are generally a lower level of training and competency than IRATA. Tree surgery has managed to stay incredibly unregulated for a long time. I have to renew my level 3 IRATA competency every 3years. I did my nptc38 and 39 in 2000 and as far as I am aware it is still valid. If the industry wants to be taken seriously continued training and assessment should be incouraged. 

Continued training is there mate.  I agree pretty much with what you say apart from the validity of the quals you did in 2000.  You are supposed to do refresher training or up training every 5 years.  AfAIK they are still valid but if you have an accident or are going for some larger contracts evidence of refresher training is required.

[Gerbutt]

Is it true that in the case of a rescue you have to enter the tree with this new method?

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, Gerbutt said:

Is it true that in the case of a rescue you have to enter the tree with this new method?

Did you read it? Not being knocky, just asking

[Gerbutt]

31 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Did you read it? Not being knocky, just asking

One of the chaps at work said it bud. I’d have thought getting to them ASAP would be your main mission, but then some would say you’re no use to them if your one anchor fails?