In a bit of a pickle. Looking for similar experiences. And possible legal advice

[spuddog0507]

there will be 100s of them ridges about round the country, and i would say you aint tryed that hard to find one ? there is posts above with them for sale in cement fiber but the ones on that roof will be asey, ring a someone who dismantls and removes asbestos they will bin loads of em, or to put a flat plastic coated ridge on, as used on box profile roofs would cost you about £40 for 3 8ft lengths and a couple of hrs to do it, not that expensive really,

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, joshuatree said:

The issue lies in the fact that no one makes 3 inch corrugated cement fibre ridge tiles/sheets.

As others have pointed out there are ridge profiles available but they  come in two  pieces with a rounded ridge.

 

Normally the owner has no right for the repair to be a "betterment" but in this case he may be right to insist on a uniform repair. Sure your premium will go up but you have mitigated the loss with your repair and the legalities will get messy if you cannot reach an agreement.

 

As was asked, are you sure it is a post 80s roof and not asbestos reinforced? If it is you must not disturb any more or it will end up with a new roof and disposal costs (which are about double inert landfill charges).

 

We had vandals throw a brick through an asbestos reinforced garage roof so I glued the pieces back together and my mate used a patch of torched on roofing to make it watertight and fit the profile.

[donnk]

just replace the roof with new sheets, its dirt cheap and you could do in a morning. 

 

[doobin]

4 minutes ago, donnk said:

just replace the roof with new sheets, its dirt cheap and you could do in a morning. 

 

No it’s not. Especially after paying to tip the old ones, quadruple if it’s asbestos. You’re not allowed to take asbestos off site, you have to get a firm in to remove it.

[donnk]

19 minutes ago, doobin said:

No it’s not. Especially after paying to tip the old ones, quadruple if it’s asbestos. You’re not allowed to take asbestos off site, you have to get a firm in to remove it.

not necessarily. It looks like cement board. Even if its not as long as you double bag it our local council tip has a special skip you can put it into or just get a small skip from a registered waste carrier.  Replacement Corregated sheets are a tenner a pop.

 

Total pain in the arse for a moments slip but thats how it goes. Get the insurance in and they defo will get a £££££ firm in.

[openspaceman]

25 minutes ago, doobin said:

you have to get a firm in to remove it.

No you can still do it yourself as asbestos cement is not notifiable like the fluffy asbestos insulation or fibre boards. Technically it becomes hazardous commercial waste and has to be treated as such and not use the civic amenities site.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

That is a pickle - but (hopefully) not unpicklable.

 

If you sent pics to these guys I'm pretty sure they could match you up a replacement piece.  

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That roof must be 20-30 years old?  It probably doesn't have a manufacturer's mark still visible which would define it either as or not containing asbestos - so it would default to the presumption that it does (unless lab tested otherwise.) Lab test a small sample (£20-30?) might actually be a good move if no manufacturer's mark is visible - it could have a massive impact upon accurate costing of replacement.  A full replacement is wholly unreasonable but your roofer's temporary repair is pretty poor - as anything other than a first aid waterproof repair.

 

A full replacement with box profile would be the best bet for the landlord - but that ain't your lookout.  

 

What would be reasonable?  Total cost of replacement £X divided by total life expectancy (maybe 20-25yrs) divided by % of damage your are responsible for seems like a reasonable £ figure to me.  The thing would have needed doing soon enough anyway although probably not quite yet.

 

He can't insist that you go to your insurer - that's entirely your choice.  He can however take a civil action for damages - but would he really?  He'd have all the up front costs and the potential that the judgement might end up being something like the equation above - not worth the effort.

 

You seem to have made all reasonable efforts thus far to reach a mutually agreeable solution which would be in your favour if it went to mediation or, ultimately to court.

 

It's after the event and doesn't help your scenario (and I've just had similar with a shitty old greenhouse only held up by ivy which was directly under the tree for dismantle) but having experienced the professional affront to my dignity of breaking 1 or 2 panes, I will never again accept liability for such an obstruction (old, knackered, 1 sneeze and it breaks) under a tree.  They can either board it up at their own expense or accept liability for accidental damage arising from normal professional behaviour.  Not so much a screaming howler, but a genuine mishap.  

 

I hope you can find a replacement piece - hopefully Kenyon Canopy will have something - fit the replacement and say that's your lot.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 13, 2019 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[Steve Bullman]

One of my website clients specialise in flat roof repair and asbestos encapsulation. I thought they may be able to offer some advice so dropped them an email.

 

'As others have said I would look at getting a plastic version in the same profile, notably GRP it can then be painted a light grey to blend in. It’s a bit OTT in my opinion and accidents do happen so I feel for the guy there will also be as others have mentioned reclaimed where someone has taken them down in full sheets available on places like ebay.'

[joshuatree]

12 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

 Are you sure it's not asbestos? If it was my problem I'd scribe the profile onto a price of wood, and have a metal fabrication place bend me up a sheet. Paint the surface with tile adhesive, applied with a roller, it will be hard to tell the difference from cement. Then paint with yoghurt when it's installed, to encourage moss. You could sprinkle some of the existing moss over it to propagate spores. Sounds like the landlord thinks you should build him a new roof. He probably knows it's asbestos and wants it gone anyway.

 

 

no I'm not entirely sure tbh. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by scribe either. do you mean create a corrugated pecie of wood to mould the the metal to? sorry I'm not the most handy person at DIY. This is me attempting to build things....

 

  

[doobin]

3 hours ago, openspaceman said:

No you can still do it yourself as asbestos cement is not notifiable like the fluffy asbestos insulation or fibre boards. Technically it becomes hazardous commercial waste and has to be treated as such and not use the civic amenities site.

When my staff and I did the non notifiable asbestos course, we were told that transporting  asbestos as a business was totally illegal. Homeowners might get away with it, but probably only as the council would rather they take the odd bit to the tip rather than bury it. No way would OP be allowed to drop off a transit of asbestos at the tip, and the best price I had for a small asbestos skip was £800 plus vat. If a smaller amount then you can get a collection via sealed tipper van, but still usually over £500