Emissions, Global warming or a scam

[Woodworks]

9 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Probably with money, the extra money they'd have when the state isn't taking most of it (and is also too small and weak to otherwise impoverish them).

Without paying taxes we wouldn't have a state we would just have anarchy. No one is going to offer to run things for nothing.

[breffni]

23 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Probably with money, the extra money they'd have when the state isn't taking most of it (and is also too small and weak to otherwise impoverish them).

What if you were previously a public sector worker but now had no job? 

[djbobbins]

Here is another problem with the current system, lots of commercial wind farms went up, 
and so did the price of electricity, why, because the big boys in the game for decades were loosing out, wind mills were producing and being paid for doing so, and the old establishment were selling less units, so they upped the price.
Government stood by and let private companies gain too much control ever the necessities of life, like water and electric, these items should be supplied at not much more than cost to people, and the small amount of profit left over would be there to pay for other things, like hospitals and schools, its all about money, and that is the real problem.

Sorry to use coarse language, but that point about prices going up because of less units being sold is generally incorrect. The wholesale price of electricity has fluctuated in recent years but isn’t significantly different now to what it was 10 years ago (in fact, in 2008 there was a period when wholesale prices went crazy).

Actually, on windy or sunny days, particularly in summer, the wholesale price goes down and is occasionally negative - i.e. generators are having to pay to put their energy onto the grid.

What has changed with the advent of renewables in the UK is that of your price of domestic electricity of (say) 15p per kWh, about 4p is being paid by your supplier and is ending up going as subsidy for wind farms and solar panels which were installed when subsidies were much higher than they are now. More money is also being spent on balancing the electricity system (as AC can’t be stored), transporting electricity from a larger number of wind farms around the grid, plus paying owners of coal and gas power stations to keep their plants ready to run for the smaller amounts of time when they are really needed. This latter part is done in a competitive auction process and plenty of assets have already closed. Coal and gas stations have to pay two different carbon taxes already.

For what it’s worth, despite the change in the make-up of the price of electricity to the end consumer (and the general increase in levies and subsidies) prices in the UK remain much lower than in most of Europe. From memory, I think we are about the 12th cheapest out of the EU 15. German domestic electricity is about 30 cents per kWh; the big difference is that they are making a better job of building efficient houses - standard build when I last saw a German building site was 300mm cavity filled with polystyrene blocks.

As such, we use more electricity and have higher bills, despite it being cheaper per unit. And will continue to do so, until we get more efficient.

[AHPP]

26 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

Without paying taxes we wouldn't have a state we would just have anarchy. No one is going to offer to run things for nothing.

Tesco don't run for nothing and yet they run.

 

15 minutes ago, breffni said:

What if you were previously a public sector worker but now had no job? 

It's none of my business how people make ends meet but I for one would offer any number of them a couple of quid to sit in stocks while I pelt them with tomatoes etc. To help them get back on their feet like.

Edited April 4, 2019 by AHPP

[Ratman]

I fear another “no deal brexit” type thread evolving here!
Up anchor and let it sail for gods sake! You’ll never stop it nor change it, its happening and is part of the great circle of life! Cash your wages and pensions and go enjoy yourselves before its too late!
Iceberg ahoy!!!

[breffni]

4 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Tesco don't run for nothing and yet they run.

 

It's none of my business how people make ends meet but I for one would offer any number of them a couple of quid to sit in stocks while I pelt them with tomatoes etc. To help them get back on their feet like.

Okay. What about ill people? Someone with no means to look after themselves. Special needs kids with serious mental and physical disabilities who would look after them?

[Mark Bolam]

It’s a worthy thread Echo.

Climate change has happened for millions of years, naturally.

I do believe though that in the last century or so we have artificially accelerated it massively.

That can’t be good.

I can’t change what China etc. are doing, but at least I’ve stopped using tyres to start fires!

We can all help where we can, but even I am intelligent enough to realise that some things are just pissing in the wind.

A while back I asked why it wasn’t law that every new-build didn’t have solar panels. Never did get a genuine answer.

[AHPP]

4 minutes ago, breffni said:

Okay. What about ill people? Someone with no means to look after themselves. Special needs kids with serious mental and physical disabilities who would look after them?

There's the resources to look after them now AND pay politicians and civil servants to administrate and hinder it. In the absence of the latter, there would be even more resources to do it. Not to mention family, charity etc and any number of other things I can't think of. That's the joy of not knowing everything though. Someone else will know how to make it work. You just have to let them.

[Big J]

7 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

A while back I asked why it wasn’t law that every new-build didn’t have solar panels. Never did get a genuine answer.

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It's more cost effective to spend the money on energy conservation, rather than energy generation. New houses are still built to embarrassingly poor (insulation) standards, and focusing on something like solar panels rather than energy efficiency is like focusing on getting more fuel for your car when there is a leak in the tank.

[Mark Bolam]

Utter bullshit J.

You can have very efficient insulation AND solar panels.

Just make it law.

Don’t like it? Don’t build a house.