Avoiding Accidents

[Joe Newton]

7 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

And who’s responsibility was that in your opinion?

That would depend on his experience. 

[Mick Dempsey]

12 minutes ago, Joe Newton said:

That would depend on his experience. 

Any climber who is trying to catch a top that big is 100% in charge, this isn’t just a nod and a wink lower of a branch.

He should be in charge of everything about that operation imo, including the groundy’s positioning,

edit, including how many wraps are needed.

Edited March 6, 2023 by Mick Dempsey

[Joe Newton]

11 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Any climber who is trying to catch a top that big is 100% in charge, this isn’t just a nod and a wink lower of a branch.

He should be in charge of everything about that operation imo, including the groundy’s positioning,

edit, including how many wraps are needed.

What if the groundy has more experience being a groundy than the climber?

 

I rarely tell my groundies how many wraps. They know that end of the bollard way better than I do.

 

As I said,  the climber was way in the wrong, but the groundy could've made it safer for himself, provided he was experienced enough. 

[Mick Dempsey]

Just now, Joe Newton said:

What if the groundy has more experience being a groundy than the climber?

 

I rarely tell my groundies how many wraps. They know that end of the bollard way better than I do.

 

As I said,  the climber was way in the wrong, but the groundy could've made it safer for himself, provided he was experienced enough. 

Yeah, we don’t know the details, so there’s some speculation of course.

[Mark Bolam]

I just hope it wasn’t Nate on the rope.

[Puffingbilly413]

17 minutes ago, Joe Newton said:

What if the groundy has more experience being a groundy than the climber?

 

I rarely tell my groundies how many wraps. They know that end of the bollard way better than I do.

 

As I said,  the climber was way in the wrong, but the groundy could've made it safer for himself, provided he was experienced enough. 

How many ground staff complete rigging courses...?

 

It's always been a beef of mine that rigging training in the UK (formal courses at least) is climber centric. The onus is then on the employer to ensure the groundie is trained and competent.

 

Edited March 6, 2023 by Puffingbilly413
Added a bit

[Joe Newton]

15 minutes ago, Puffingbilly413 said:

How many ground staff complete rigging courses...?

 

It's always been a beef of mine that rigging training in the UK (formal courses at least) is climber centric. The onus is then on the employer to ensure the groundie is trained and competent.

 

Are you asking me?

 

There's plenty of climbers rigging without Cs 41 and pruning without Cs 40 too

[htb]

Just now, Joe Newton said:

There's plenty of climbers rigging without Cs 41 and pruning without Cs 40 too

That will be me then, guilty milord. Best cancel tomorrows job.

[MattyF]

I once did something similar to a ground guy , well he was also an experienced climber…. Asked him three times to put another wrap on and he insisted he knew what he was doing , dragged him across the garden and under the stem I had just rigged off , personally I think he was to blame as he was more experienced but just didn’t like been told what to do… he also chucked one of the rings from said piece over a 6ft fence and on to another groundies head around 10 minutes later, also shat himself from a hang over that morning on the way too work too, can’t remember many days at work 20 years ago but this one sticks in my head 😆

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Steve Bullman said:

It’s a bizarre phenomenon Joe, but you just don’t let go. It happened to me a lot of years back when I was on the ground

Yup