Potus ???

[GarethM]

Just now, Yournamehere said:

Wiki says, "Gauge blocks were invented in 1896 by Swedish machinist Carl Edvard Johansson"

 

Really. Promise.

 

I just looked cos I thought it was an interesting question; I was wondering if it was Henry Maudsley who invented the screw gauge.

 

Johansson Gauge Block Set, 1923 - The Henry Ford

WWW.THEHENRYFORD.ORG

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Ford Motor Company's mass production methods depended on precision parts and tooling, and precision depended on exact...

Memory serves he bought the company 

 

[GarethM]

And interchangeably of screws/bolts is generally attributed to Whitworth.

 

They built a college/BBC studios on the old works for the Olympics in Manchester in the late 90/00s.

 

[Yournamehere]

9 minutes ago, GarethM said:

 

Johansson Gauge Block Set, 1923 - The Henry Ford

WWW.THEHENRYFORD.ORG

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Ford Motor Company's mass production methods depended on precision parts and tooling, and precision depended on exact...

Memory serves he bought the company 

 

'Bought the company' =/= 'invented'

[Steven P]

24 minutes ago, GarethM said:

No I'm suggesting if the Americans wanted they could churn out whatever they want.

 

I also remember as a country they made the atomic bomb, went to the moon okay with the help of a German.

 

Stop being so dismissive of a country being able to make what it requires, he'll you're probably extolling the virtues of 3d printing as a circular economy.

 

Just because you're copy of the big issue your chugging is probably printed in Vietnam, doesn't mean the Americans can't survive and thrive.

 

It is fine, inventions are good - the UK profited more than any - but both countries have fallen behind by not keeping up and other countries have taken what was invented and done better and cheaper. Not being dismissive that any country can make what it needs but in a global economy, with easy access to information, the cheapest will win out. Which in my car example above, is Japan

 

Better and cheaper means you need to catch up first before you can become market leader again. Takes time and all that time the US consumer are paying extra tariffs / taxes

Edited April 4 by Steven P

[Yournamehere]

5 minutes ago, GarethM said:

And interchangeably of screws/bolts is generally attributed to Whitworth.

 

They built a college/BBC studios on the old works for the Olympics in Manchester in the late 90/00s.

 

'Early adoption, mass use and standardisation' =/= 'invented'

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Yournamehere said:

'Early adoption, mass use and standardisation' =/= 'invented'

Whitworth definitely defined and effectively built the industry. Beforehand every bolt and nut was different.

 

Ford if memory serves also used Phillips due to accidents and speed of flat blades screws. They were going to use the Canadian Robertson but shenanigans and probably brown envelopes.

 

Black and decker, Milwaukee and a few others if my memory of watching history stuff is to be believed.

[GarethM]

7 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

It is fine, inventions are good - the UK profited more than any - but both countries have fallen behind by not keeping up and other countries have taken what was invented and done better and cheaper. Not being dismissive that any country can make what it needs but in a global economy, with easy access to information, the cheapest will win out. Which in my car example above, is Japan

And how do you change that decline, by building it in country instead of being a call centre and making energy cheap and plentiful.

 

My tractor was built in Doncaster, now they're made in Italy. You trying to tell me the Italians work for less than us ?.

[sime42]

I don't think anyone is objecting to Trump's desire to bring more of the US manufacturing back onshore Gareth. That's an admirable goal after all, though it's never going to be entirely achievable. 

 

What people are objecting to is the way in which he is trying, and failing, to go about it. (I intentionally say Trump, and not the American people, because I suspect that the majority are now starting to realise the colossal mistake that it is turning out to be. (Despite the fact that he was democratically elected.)) With hindsight I believe it will be far from Liberation Day.

 

If you actually took the time to understand how the tariffs were calculated, you'd realise that it's more or less economic nonsense. The global market turmoil that's now unfolding is clearly a reflection of that. Read that FT article, they're hardly a left wing student publication are they? With one fell sweep Mr Trump has hit some of the poorest countries in the world with yet more economic hardship, and simultaneously plunged the rest of the world into a cluster**************** of as yet unknown magnitude. Welcome to the global trade war. And guess what? The poor middle Americans that he's meant to serve will be effected as badly, if not worse than the rest of us.

 

I'm bemused that anyone would still seek to defend all the actions of the potus.

 

 

 

[GarethM]

All tariffs are quid pro quo.

 

They reduce their tariff and so will trump, it's a game of chicken and generally speaking why we got off quite lightly at 10%.

 

Simplistically, make them either zero or like for like with most countries that play fair, maybe not china as they government subsidised metal for example.

 

Everyone else it becomes free market and the consumer decides how much they actually buy.

 

Use the chicken or cars for example, if we have access and it's a fair market. But we don't buying it, nobody can say waaah that's not fair.

[Stubby]

How are the penguins going to deal with it I wonder ?