Potus ???

[peds]

[sime42]

9 hours ago, Johnsond said:

As you have yet again with the usual level of assumptions, sly digs and arrogant hypocrisy you often display on here. You don’t get it do you 42 it doesn’t matter what I think or you for that matter, as you guys keep saying on another thread “ it’s an arb forum” did you choose to ignore what I said earlier along with all the other facts as to why Ukraine is where it is now, unlike you in 2014 I actually listened to the arguments from both sides ( pro Russian Ukrainian and Ukrainian nationalists) crew on the vessel I was on. Trump and Vance behaved like pricks 🤷‍♂️what part of that didn’t you understand. 
 

“ without future repercussions “ your arrogance is breathtaking 42 

 

Forgot to say did you split that kindling with a blindfold on. 
 

 

Good heavens. That's a bit harsh Davey. My son split most of it. To be fair to him I didn't think he did a bad job actually, for a five year old, with knotty old floor boards. I stand to be corrected but I don't believe that kindling has to be split with military precision to be effective. Is this like the Zelensky rocking up without a suit thing?

 

 

[Mark J]

4 hours ago, Mike Hill said:

 

These rights are conditional,just like the UK.

 

Try marching onto a military base and attempting to exercise you right to assemble,protest and speak freely.Likewise you cannot walking into someones home and argue with them,or assemble in their Garden.Argue with a Judge,"but your honor is my right to argue with you".

 

Trump is restoring an element of common sense to a landscape that was polluted  by endless "woke-isum" ,BLM, and ANTIFA ,antics.Furthermore he is doing so with the support of the 77 million Americans who voted for him.Dont like it? Then immigrate to America and vote Democrat in the next election.

 

 

How do they decide which ones to get up in arms about then? I remember there being a load of talk about the lack of free speech by the Trumpets prior to his elections. 

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

Good heavens. That's a bit harsh Davey. My son split most of it. To be fair to him I didn't think he did a bad job actually, for a five year old, with knotty old floor boards. I stand to be corrected but I don't believe that kindling has to be split with military precision to be effective. Is this like the Zelensky rocking up without a suit thing?

 

 

No idea what you are on about 

 

[Mike Hill]

4 hours ago, Mark J said:

How do they decide which ones to get up in arms about then? I remember there being a load of talk about the lack of free speech by the Trumpets prior to his elections. 

No idea.

 

 

[GarethM]

They'd probably all be moaning if he had just carried on as things were, until that eventual economic collapse as the system wormholed under the debt mountain.

 

Granted that's the storyline from idiocracy isn't it ?.

[Yournamehere]

4 hours ago, Johnsond said:

No idea what you are on about 

 

Away an shite man!

Sure you have.

[Big J]

22 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Rubbish J

I’ve not had a huge amount of input recently into the Trump fest on here. 
Reality is I’ve no case to put as such, you hate the UK you hate Trump and you hate the Tories, there is nothing to be gained from to and fro on it. As for comments about SP and SP alone the  anonymous mystery man of Arbtalk 🤷‍♂️, J he couldn’t lie straight in bed, or give a straight answer if his life depended on it. His views align with yours hence here you are. 
My points about the armed forces and the war monger Blair have been made many times as have the ones about Starmer defending terrorists. 
point out to me where I have used MAGA talking points !!

Regards Starmer 

Thats what boots on the ground looks like J, you may take the moral high ground in regards the actions ongoing to cease conflict in Ukraine but in reality the sooner it’s done the better. Ukrainian people like the Finns may always be rightfully pissed off but the betrayal started years ago as well you know. Question J, I’ve asked it often to a few here, have you ever served in the armed forces or been under fire ??. It seems to me the ones who have never experienced either here and politicians are the ones taking the uncompromising line, the war in Ukraine is just an excuse for you and others to go on an anti Trump frenzy, fyi I think he acted like a prick the other night worse still was Vance 🤷‍♂️. 

 

But the actions of Trump and his cronies are not going to improve the situation in Ukraine in any way. He is obviously gunning for the Nobel Peace Prize, but his idea of how to obtain it is total capitulation to Russia.

In withdrawing military aid and intelligence support, he's effectively serving Ukraine up on a plate to Russia. 

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I shall make a series of statements that I regard as being unambiguous:

* In 1994, the Bucharest memorandum was implemented so that Ukraine gave up it's nuclear arsenal in exchange for guarantees of sovereignty and security from the US, the UK and Russia. This agreement should have guaranteed that Russia wouldn't invade, and failing that, that the US and UK would protect Ukraine.

 

* The US withdrawal from European security and probably Nato is deeply hypocritical given that the only time that Article 5 was invoked was by the US after 9/11. Nato troops from all nations fought and died on behalf of the US.

 

* Vance's comments about "20,000 random troops from countries that haven't fought wars for 30-40 years" is absolutely disgusting. Not only have they fought wars, but they've fought US wars.

 

* Trump's demands for concessions from Ukraine are enormous and do not provide Ukraine with any security. The only demand he's made of Putin is that he stop killing Ukrainians.

 

* If Russia stops fighting tomorrow, the war is over. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine.

In light of that extremely brief and by no means exhaustive list, how can it be right that Putin is allowed to get everything that he wants and Ukraine has to simply accept it? There has to be some sort of global moral standard and Trump and Putin are definitely far from reaching it. 

[Johnsond]

22 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

But the actions of Trump and his cronies are not going to improve the situation in Ukraine in any way. He is obviously gunning for the Nobel Peace Prize, but his idea of how to obtain it is total capitulation to Russia.

In withdrawing military aid and intelligence support, he's effectively serving Ukraine up on a plate to Russia. 

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but I shall make a series of statements that I regard as being unambiguous:

* In 1994, the Bucharest memorandum was implemented so that Ukraine gave up it's nuclear arsenal in exchange for guarantees of sovereignty and security from the US, the UK and Russia. This agreement should have guaranteed that Russia wouldn't invade, and failing that, that the US and UK would protect Ukraine.

 

* The US withdrawal from European security and probably Nato is deeply hypocritical given that the only time that Article 5 was invoked was by the US after 9/11. Nato troops from all nations fought and died on behalf of the US.

 

* Vance's comments about "20,000 random troops from countries that haven't fought wars for 30-40 years" is absolutely disgusting. Not only have they fought wars, but they've fought US wars.

 

* Trump's demands for concessions from Ukraine are enormous and do not provide Ukraine with any security. The only demand he's made of Putin is that he stop killing Ukrainians.

 

* If Russia stops fighting tomorrow, the war is over. If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine.

In light of that extremely brief and by no means exhaustive list, how can it be right that Putin is allowed to get everything that he wants and Ukraine has to simply accept it? There has to be some sort of global moral standard and Trump and Putin are definitely far from reaching it. 

All well and good, nothing you have said is new or has not been said before, and your solution is ?? 
 

[Haironyourchest]

14 hours ago, peds said:

 

It's the new normal 🙂