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Decent poem but as for Sturgeon she cares not one bit for the consequences of her actions and is instead playing a political game which is seeing Scotland’s economy being devastated and children’s educations and prospects impaired due to her actions. But at the end of the day she herself will not suffer financially she has no children so as much as she says otherwise will never understand the worries of a mother or parent and has never ran a business or been self employed. Her actions currently are so out of balance with the actual virus numbers in Scotland if it wasn’t so tragic it would be laughable.

Indeed true. But I will not be drawn into playground type arguments with one of the most vociferous individuals on here on his childish one sided terms. I’m no racist in any way shape or form but feel no need to have to dance to the fools tune played so well by some.

Don’t t get sucked in Steve.

You know Mark I spent time in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and with the UN on other peacekeeping missions and saw first hand the results of attitudes like yours ie If you don’t think or say as we do you are one of them. I’m far more moderate and tolerant to other ideas than you seem to be. Feel free to sit behind the keyboard playing the left wing warrior routine.

What a childish stupid playground level statement, absolutely pathetic. You totally don’t know me yet you pass that judgement. Like I say reasoned debate is impossible with you.

It’s warrant officer first class hence WO1. Thought after 22 years of service some of the ranks and traditions might have been explained to you. I tend not to be in these ridiculous hypothetical situations you described as a feeble poor means of trying to imply I’m one of them as you put it. You can use that ridiculous analogy in just about situation you want. Does that mean if I dont take the knee I’m in the wrong too. Fortunately we still have a bit of choice of who we are and what we react too. I’ve stepped up a few time’s in my life to protect those unable to protect themselves. You are indeed an extreme left winger Mark of that there is no doubt extreme to the point that reasoned debate is virtually impossible with you.

Mark seriously bud don’t ever presume to tell me what I should be doing or how I should conduct myself ok. As in all cases the actions of a minority tarnishes the majority. You judged everyone by the actions of a few. Did you ever serve in or attempt to join HM forces ?. That’s a genuine question by the way as I’m still trying to work out where all this angst for anything British or even slightly right of centre etc comes from. They were not all doing the salute you mention, they are all not fascists are they, just as all the previous weekend’s culprits were not too blame etc etc etc. You are probs one of the most extreme on here in regards views and politics Mark, but ive yet to attempt to label you in any way shape or form, something you often do at the slightest opportunity.

Unfortunately too may see patriotism as a dirty word. The English flag is derided as virtually a racist emblem to some. The balance and level of debate etc etc has long since passed the point of being reasonable. As for mosques and the activities of a minority within them, well the crimes committed in the name of Islam By extremists are well documented. To be honest this is a pointless back and forward debate. You obviously think anyone who doesn’t defer and apologise for any historical wrong doing is racist. I’m totally proud of the UK I have no guilt for being white. I’ve been around the world enough to know there is good and bad everywhere in all colours. The phrase right wing thugs etc makes me laugh in reality. If they were extreme right what were the previous weekend’s activities referred too ???

Unbelievable ?‍♂️ I’m not even sure that is a serious question, if it is then you should be embarrassed.

I knew a sense of humour existed in that Teutonic shell somewhere J ?

Fool

So Mark you see no good in the leadership that Churchill provided at a point in History that could have conceivably brought about the destruction of the whole country ?? like all individuals he had flaws in his character as do you and I. Seems like the whole BLM media driven hype is causing nothing but division and a growing level of resentment at what looks like a attempt to rewrite history to suit the current accepted norms.

I’d love to think so J but I fear not.As an example If you look at the latest round of wind farm licences and the ones already nearing completion you will sadly see that very little of this UK tax payer funded gold rush is actually benefiting the average UK worker. Yes some people get work in the wind farms but the real money that’s made is in the manufacturing and installation phases. Very rarely if ever does any of that come to these shores. That’s before you even look at the astronomical profits to be made by selling the electricity back to the UK. Most of the Jackets and foundation set ups are made in either the Gulf or China. Shipped here thousands of miles in the quest for net zero ?‍♂️. Now just think for a minute how much communities and the country as a whole would benefit if this was done in house. Real jobs, apprenticeships and skills for young people and money plowed back into the UK economy. How hard would it be to put a condition on the licence agreements that stipulated 50% had to UK owned, supplied and run !!! Why are we selling off a natural resource to other nations then forcing the taxpayers to buy it back. I know that we as a country whilst part of the EU could not do half of what I’m talking about but surely a blind man can see the current system ain’t working that well. Not just under the tories but for the last 30 years etc UK manufacturing and the skilled jobs that go with it has been devastated. We speak of net zero yet care nothing of the conditions and life of many of the people whom manufacture much of the essential infrastructure involved or of the long term decline of our skills base. I saw something the other day where someone commented on the new forth crossing and how wonderful a bit of Scottish engineering it is. Really ??? I worked on that and know fine well where the bridge sections were made and how many of the welds were being failed by UK ndt guys. Subsequently to be gouged out and rewelded in situ by teams of Romanian welders. One of the main contractors on the bridge Dragados a Spanish firm has just walked away from the multi million pound Aberdeen harbour project. No doubt the Scottish tax payer will be inline for a further humping. Having a bit of a rant but unfortunately people neither seem to see it or care. People’s attention is more focused on the hysteria surrounding little Britain sketches or Baden Powell’s possible homophobia ???

There is a huge huge difference between having a few quid in your pocket and losing your job and possibly home . Many old people are well fed up of being treat like fools and are just as ready to get in with things as the young are. The truth will come out ref this virus then we can all judge. But for now the economic crash which I presume has not affected you too bad by the Comments you make will be a disaster. As for Boris any sane person knows you have to get things moving it’s just impossible to stay like this !! Mi d you I do think a good proportion of people in safe jobs are happy to keep things as they are until it’s safe safe safe

Lockdown up here is still in place Mark whilst the actual numbers ref death due to the virus are at zero or single figures, hospitals are virtually empty. Boris in your eyes may be the devil but at least he’s trying to get things moving Sturgeon on the other hand is hanging onto the power this gives her and resisting at all costs the pleas from businesses, parents and the soon to be redundant etc etc. All in this misguided bullshit quest to save the NHS etc. To be honest it’s becoming quite embarrassing to watch her still telling people to stick with it and how she sympathises and understands !!! No Kids, No fear of redundancy, No fear of losing a business or home !!’ She understand bugger all.

Come back up to Scotland J and you will see what the other end of the spectrum is causing. The financial, economic, mental health and subsequent social crash that’s going to happen up here is gonna be horrendous long term. Hospitals are empty, treatments for all other illnesses are on hold but hey nothing else matters than follow the guidelines stuck with it blah blah blah. I truly get the feeling we are starting to see a level of control over the population that politicians especially those of Sturgeons character would like to maintain long rather than short term. The balance had long since gone out of this process.

The one with the big but not fat Coronavirus susceptible non gender specific person in it.

Ferguson’s track record in grossly overestimating potential casualties is beyond shocking Mark in many cases, Has the government done everything right ! Of course not. But if people can’t see that the end result of this shutdown is going to be as bad if not worse than the virus then they are deluding themselves. The worthy but now misguided desire to protect the nhs and save lives is achieving very little right now. The NHS is totally in control of Covid. Hospitals and icu wards are running at way way below capacity. New studies are appearing every day with data showing why people were susceptible including obesity ?‍♂️?‍♂️ Come on you don’t need to be a genius to realise that being obese and unhealthy is going to make you susceptible to illness. We need a massive reboot of society and less outcry and political correctness when people state the truth. What we should be directing our angst at is the Chinese for bringing this shit to the table, but no what do we do instead we throw billions of business their way ie they are currently being awarded contracts to build the next batches of jackets and turbine bases for many of the new Scottish wind farms !!!! And who pays for that in the end ??. The British taxpayer ??. Imagine the skills and benefit of building those here, apprenticeships and real genuine jobs. Like I say the changes required are massive and unfortunately I think profit and short term gain counts for more than anything else.

Lol can you even say that now.

J that wouldn’t be Ferguson by any chance would it ???. Quite frankly there will be so many people wise with the benefit of hindsight that it’s not worth talking about. His track record is not great to say the least. Regarding the management of the so called media hype driven Covid crisis ?‍♂️. Governments are under microscopic scrutiny for every single move they make. Unfortunately they are not gonna please all the people all the time. The destruction of the economy will soon be a far worse threat than Covid ever was. Anyway the media have now moved on to driving the BLM hysteria, streets to be renamed, statues removed and history rewritten.

There is not a country on this planet that is free all forms of discrimination or racism. you should try a trip to the rougher areas of Lagos or Luanda and see how you get on. But it is not prevalent at the levels that many including yourself seem to want us all to believe. Indeed I know little or in reality care what you have done etc. I’ve mixed and worked with many nationalities and can say I judge a man on what he is not his colour. There are plenty of white and black peoples who are equal when it comes to being total arseholes just as there are plenty of really good guys of all colours. What’s annoying is the sanctimonious and quite frankly not welcome sermons from the likes of you whom seem to think you occupy the moral high ground. As for living in the countryside, yeah I do now but was born and raised in a small mining village that was devastated by the mine closures. My choices at 16 were the Dole or the Army ?‍♂️?‍♂️.

What racism and discrimination??? From where I see things the joe average white working class male has just as hard a time of things than anyone else. Plus you know nothing of what I think do or have done in my life. Seriously bud the rubbish you are spouting sounds like something from a student union Marxist, socialist, gay , lesbian, trans, non gender this week,BLM,BAME rights for everyone but the racist ruling elite white meeting. Jokes aside I took a very attractive coloured girl to a social function at Wellington barracks in 1986 whilst serving in the Coldstream Guards, you could have heard a pin drop ?. You may be a bit young and naive to get that one but I guess some of the older ex squaddies on here will figure it out.

What do you want me to do like ??? Throw myself at the feet of every coloured person or descendant of a former British colony ??? Get a grip for Christ sake.

Citizen smith I take it you won’t promote the building of a new royal yacht then.

Right Mark I’ll try and keep this simple ok. For thousands of years one Race or tribe or whatever you can cope with me calling them has attacked or exploited another right back to the beginning of recorded history, hopefully you are following so far. I don’t think he even the most ardent apologist is gonna question that. You have heard of Hadrian’s wall I presume ??, I tell you what at this rate we will be getting the Italians to apologise for ruining the view over the unspoilt Northumberland countryside due to those nuisance builders the Romans leaving all those bloody ruins everywhere. Let me know when you have your socialist worker and white apologist stand set up down the sea front and I’ll get a few mates to come down and cheer you on.