Bolt

I gotta feelin.......

You’re back! When you admitted that your arguments were defeated yesterday morning, I thought you had conceded defeat!

Don’t suppose I could interest anyone in a bar or two of soap?

Busted. An idea that was inspired by Fight Club. Each idiotic post gets an idiotically opposite repost.

Sorry, my bad. That makes it clearer.

Oh no, White Noise....... it turns out we only gone and got ourselves the mindset of 'many migrants '. No close cultural fit for us!

A can't believe I stuck up a picture of a woman... ....what kind of a red blooded man am I ? Sorry White Noise, I feel I have let all us 'real men' down. Still, maybe I can make amends by bustin out my confederate flag, jumping in the pickup, and pumpin out some rollin coal. I'll send my woman indoors to grill up some steaks.

So, must have white skin (why is that? What difference does your skin colour make, surely there are more important characteristics for judging a person) Must be a male (should have gone without saying!) Hmmmmmmmm, could be tricky..... ..... or maybe not..... Male...... check White...... check In power in a Muslim country.... check (minister of energy and natural resources )

Oh no, Crap. She is no good..... You wanted a white man. I have gone and posted a white women. Geez, what do women know about politics.... I guess you think she should be at home to hand you cold beers and all that stuff.

Just saying... ...Minister of Labour and social security in a Muslim country...

Ooooh get me! I am just soooooo inclusive.

Me! You gotta stop using the 't' word. You have clearly given him a complex. Thought: If every time someone went on a particular forum the others posters called them a troll (to such an extent that they started to get a little fired up about it) you would think they either: A) find a more receptive forum B) improve the quality and diversity of their input. One trick ponies are only of interest for a very short time.

Apology accepted. However, I should point out that you never do anything Arbtalk related. All you usually do is bang on about how them migrants are destroying the NHS. Wrong Forum..... Puts normal peoples backs up.

Any more to add. I can keep this up all day.

My posts are long to get on you tits and deter innocent bi-standers from reading them. NHS 'robbing' Indian nurses? Well, that a turn of face. Yesterday you were the saviour of the NHS, and today you a slagging them off on a public forum. Maybe politics is not for you after all

It the problems of the NHS are financial, then that is an issue for the managers and the government, not the service users. Are you really going to keep this up for a fourth day? Didn't you have a bad enough time yesterday?

I doubt anyone will read it. It was aimed at you. You broadly claim that migrants are bad. This is a meaningless argument as the context is too broad. Just to be a dick, I go back to the beginning of history to emphasis your lazy argument. Now you have narrowed you argument to the 'work' of a single person. That is just as careless. Of course he was an unspeakable twat. Who's view is going to differ. You have gone from one extreme (all migrants - ever) to an individual! Is that the definition of an extreme view?

Stubborn? How rude. I am bloody minded, I will have you know. I have no interest in changing anyone's mind (fwiw). I just wanted to take the all fun out of peddling political propaganda on an Arboricultural forum. I think I have managed that. I am biased I know, but in my opinion, this thread, although 'active', has not gone the way the op intended. Here we are, taking the mick, and spreading ridicule. Where has the op gone?

You can't argue with him, simply because he won't answer a question. You ask a basic questions, and he replies with a statement. He may as well be a politician. Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder if he would be interested at gaining office at Tower Hamlets (although considering his earlier Tower Hamlets faux pas, I should think not).

OK, so all that genetic diversity did not float your boat... this one is far more up your alley. What have migrants ever done for the UK. #2 They saved the NHS, and made it what it is! Yep, this is going to be a shocker. Migrants SAVING the NHS!!! that can't be right. What on earth has the Daily Mail been playing at????? You can't trust anyone. Well here is my hypotheses. I have done the minimal amount of research, so you should be able to have a good smash at this! Migrant workers have been saving the NHS since 1949. That's about a year after it was founded. (I have chosen the NHS in order to 'turn your argument back in itself') Here is the logic... The NHS is publicly funded, and free at the point on use. This 'free at the point of use' idea is I think the cause of your concern for the NHS. Clearly someone cocked up right at the beginning with this concept, but luckily, migrant workers have stepped in and saved the day, right from the off. How annoying is that. Yep, right from 1949! In order to allow costs to be controlled and service provided, successive governments have recruited staff for the NHS from abroad since 1949. The details are easily available. Governments has spent millions on this as it provides a cost effective way of staffing the NHS at all levels, from bedpan emptier, to consultant surgeon. They have spent millions on recruiting overseas to not only save tens and tens of millions over the years on the wage bill, but what is more, they also fill the jobs that the 'native population' just won't do. Won't do now, wouldn't do back then. Millions, and millions and millions saved! Migrant workers have been saving the NHS since 1949. Without them there is NO WAY that the NHS could look like it currently does. That's the NHS that you hold sooooo dear. OK. That's my research done, lets go for the 'first hand experience' bit Naturally it is only the non-taxpaying migrant users of the NHS that concerns you. Are they all here for health care tourism? I wonder what the typical aliments are that they suffer? The reason I ask is that I frequent hospitals quite often (A+E and wards). Here is what I see... A+E... Lots of chavs and white trash who have got pissed up and injured themselves. Their behaviour is colourful, (but understandable due to their genetic heritage). I don't think they are net contributors to the NHS to be honest. Wards... generally white middle aged men who haven't looked after themselves, or white workers who have got injured at work. NHS Staff... all grades, the majority i think you would refer to as 'migrants'. Of the hospitals i have been in (in cities with high ethnic diversity), I really can't remember seeing that many 'migrants' lying about in beds. Maybe they are out-patients? So, there you have it. Migrants SAVING the NHS. NOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo.

OK. I respect your 3, but I have only been playing for two and a bit days. My hit-rate is right up there.

As you haven't ripped through my post "What have migrants ever done for the UK. #1" (bottom of page 14,) in the style of a '46 Ford ripping through a Delorian as if it were tin foil, do I take it you concede the points i raised? You were originally up for an additional two reasons. I thought it best to drip feed 'em.

What on earth do you mean petty? I have 'won two days', you have won none. The rational observer would choose me.

First, I must admit I ridiculed you a bit, which was rude of me. Then you mentioned the adult debate, and I thought 'well, what the heck, could be a bit of a laugh'. I do find though that having a debate is not easy when its all one sided. Twice you have said you that you were going to reignite the debate, and each time you have failed to engage. You ask a question, and I give an answer. I generally slip in a sneaky little question of my own, just to keep things moving along. Unfortunately, at this point it always fall apart. When I make a 'sub-standard argument' you ignore it. For you this is the WORST thing you can do. Have a debating hint for free.... When you ignore my 'sub-standard argument' if gives the impression to me and any unfortunate soul that has crossed this thread that you are completely stumped and can think of no answer, no come back, no killer response. When I ask one of my 'badly phrased questions' you ignore it (even if you include my quote in your post) and make a different point. What you want to do (and I shouldn't really be telling you this, but I feel sorry that I was rude earlier, and your thread / debate has become a bit of a disaster for you) is to take my post, and ruthlessly take it apart line by line, savaging my naive ideas, disproving my poorly presented facts, destroying my heart felt content and leaving me in a state of shock, shame and embarrassment. Ignoring me does not forward you position. No on else seems to 'debate' with you. If you wont engage me, maybe you should try somewhere else? How about you have a quick skim through the last couple of pages (no need to go too far back, eh) and see how it goes?

I asked you ages ago for when the no-migration golden age was. You ignored my post, which is not surprising as it is how you operate. Do you really think that this exact point of time is the point when we should pull up the draw bridge? These arguments have been churned out for decades. Were all you predecessors just crying wolf when they said that the current set of migrants were going to destroy our society? If so, that's a bummer. Cheers guys. You seem to have your stock phrases and you just keep wheeling them out. I must say though, that although you appear to find genetics, anthropology and evolution bizarre, I cannot claim credit for them as they are generally considered as scientific fact. Amazing eh? The things you learn if only you can open your mind.