Joy Yeomans

no - wouldnt have enought tarps - we have 100s of these outside each year, any rain ingress comes out of the nets and the wind dries them off - we bring 20-30 in at a time to the shed before delivery if wet weather forecast for a day or two just ot make doubly sure the customer receives bone dry logs, but sometimes its a waste of time as you tip them out onto their drive as reque:confused1:sted and they then leave them there for weeks in a heap sometimes - when they are dry we moisture meter them, split some in half from the middle of each bag, if they do get wet, its only ever on the outside anyway i would just add - we use bag supplies ltd - maurice wilsons - drying net bags, have tried cheaper inferiorones and they dont last, we use ours over and over again and out of 200 that get reused probably several times a year only had one rip, and that was probably because it started to snag on a hedge

larch - it gets the radiators banging !

thanks for all the responses, sold, last one delivered today, the power of arbtalk!

heres a few pics, eac net is 1 cubic metre, we tip two into our pickup and so all the loads are the same, each one is filled by holding open by the loadall and then given a good shake by the loadall to make sure the bags are full the same, dry out well, each row is about 3' apart in the direction of the prevailing wind to aid drying, and they are stacked on old pallets, dry off in 4-6 months .

we mostly cut into vented drying nets 1 cubic metre size, stack on a pallet and stack 3 high in the open air - open to the drying wind, rain goes through the net and doesnt stick on the logs and they air dry in about 4 months

when are you going to finish milling that piece of timber charlie, talk about drawing a job out - never mind felling some alder, finish with that alaskan mill first

your old david brown works hard, rough devil to those link arms though, any more rough treatment to old tractors and ill have to come round and give you a good slapping:lol:

ill have to try that with some poplar ive got

i hope you dont want those bathroom tiles back charlie as their under 6" of concrete trainers for show - boots for a pro

yes power major - 4 inline and pulling just fine id have to work out how many cube weve got there:lol: - hes only moving it to tip in the shed, probably get 2 transit loads out of it about 4 cube

picked up alot of new customers with the new truck being signwritten

Tony likes his logs stacked neat, another good load sold today:lol:

always remember on our idents at college - elder smells of cat wee - so no mistaking that one !

a friend of ours makes his charcoal from alder i think

guerilla planting ? ive heard of these suburban gorillas coming down from the trees and planting up roundabouts they then obviously climb back up and put their tools to bed at night.

ahhh - simplessss you clever rascal you

sam - on the quiet, just let me know - are you getting the wood for free? selling gold plated logs or are you just one of those lucky devils who falls on his feet and not his bum! if you know any secrets I dont - fil us all in:confused1:

just to put the Forestry Contractors Association take on this - the official line straight from Donald McClean head of FCA's legal is that ARB is NOT Forestry -but if you think you have a valid case and can back it up then so be it. just quoting the official FCA line, issued to us forestry contractors.

yes i think o fk what have you done ! , one man could get by, to do it property you need two or three, and from then on in your employees will be better off than you !

i think also each persons position should be looked at individually to see what rules you fit into as taking generalisations that your running a similar setup to others may turn out to be totally different ? just my opinion

no - the thread is about sale of logs and sale of logs is the sale of a product, whether forestry or not - if logs are being bought back for your own processing further or wood for milling etc then yes probably exempt - but VOSA/HMRC will always act as you have to show proof that the timber is yours, your taking it home to process it and not selling on. i am refering to sale of logs in the delivery vehicle (i.e. transit etc ), wether your a forester or not, delivery of logs is delivery of a product, forestry or not you are selling for reward and touching then on to haulage , so normal rules of 3.5t vehicles apply etc as in any other business, if you tow a trailer - dont exceed the max gross or yes you will need a tacho and then your into operators licence etc. forestry exemptions are whole different ball game, and mostly refer to tractors/forwarders etc - but i doubt cover a pickups with cut logs in delivering to joe bloggs down the road wehther 2 miles or 50 miles away - its haulage for reward! - dont even go there with forestry exemptions as you have to show you are a bona fide forester/contractor to move roundwood only to the place of process or your stacking point for process - not movingprocessed timber-i.e. you have a contact with a forestry owner showing the timber is yours and where the nominated stacking area is etc etc

as i understand it, as long as the load and trailer dont exceed 3.5t gross, then no tacho, if more than yes need tacho, even for logs, chip or anything

enlighten us - whats the problems your having?

lay out your builders bag and measure length x width x height - youll soon see its miles from 1 cubic metre (prob calculations are thus 90cmx70cmx70cm = .44 cubic metre), less than half a cubic metre - if some customers were to see 1 cubic metre of logs in a cubic metre drying net, they would see what a rip off builders bags measurements are! not dissing anyone - just trying to get us all to the standard dimensions - rant over (customer yesterday - how much 1 cube of logs - i say £60 - WHAT i got a quote for a cubic metre in a builders bag dropped off for £50 ! - you try and say thats not a cube its like banging your head on a brick wall - rant over

if you can stack it on a few bearers, use a few of your 3' lengthways on the bottom then just place each billet on that, its easier than throughing in a pile surely - and then if you keep going along or a new stack next to it leave a gap and the air will circulate around all of it ensuring they all dry out even - thats what we do, when got time to do billets