RobArb

Only to happy to oblige:biggrin:

A rich lemony aroma, but the cones are 3cm, too big according to original description:sneaky2:

I hated learning these conifers but i kept drilling it into myself, going over and over and over the books, I'm pretty confident of getting a correct genus when out and about now, its still pretty hard with the species most times:biggrin:

It more that likely is C. lawsoniana, but you never know from pics with little info:001_rolleyes: And i never blag:lol:

Not Ulmus americana And the other one, don't want to put a dampner on your guesses but your in the wrong Genus:001_smile:

Going off the smell, if its a strong sourish smell (not unpleasant though) it'll be the Chamaecyparis lawsoniana, if its very sweet smell it'll be Chamaecyparis obtusa - Hinoki Cypress and possible 'Crippsii' And never rule out the old Leylandii Variety:lol:

it could be 'Lane' 'Stewartii' is a bit more droopy, but could also be 'Lemon Queen' or 'Lutea'

Bit hard from those pictures but could be a Chamaecyparis lawsoniana variety/cultivar (Lawsons cypress)

nope and nope, last one is tricky purely because its really essentially just a picture of form, i didn't get any close-ups unfortunately that weren't blurred:blush: I'll give you a clue, its in the Ulmaceae family The other two are not P. alba, you need to guess again before i give a clue on this:biggrin:

OK this ones for Tony to start our little "challenge":biggrin: First 2 pics, what is it? Third pic, everyone can have a go:001_smile:

MMmm, OK, nearest i can get is Styphnolobium japonicum 'Variegata' There are however one or two rare sports as this could've been. Is it also possible that as a late leafer and early dropper, could it not have been a weird interveinal sclerosis? There is alos one or two (one pictured above) different varietes of variegated trees, non-really cultivated anymore Varieties The weeping form of the Pagoda tree was particularly suited to the picturesque tastes of the Victorian era, and was more commonly used than the species during that period. Styphnolobium japonicum 'Pendula' had first been cultivated in China; the plant-hunger Robert Fortune reported seeing a weeping Pagoda tree in Shanghai during his visit to that city in 1853. Although it seldom flowers, and is difficult to propagate and expensive, Scott called this variety: the finest of small pendulous trees. ... [its] branches are green and somewhat angular or crooked so that in winter the tree has a somewhat knotted and curious look. ... It is at the same time symmetrical and picturesque. Sargent praised it as well: It has long pendulous shoot ... We hardly know anything more ornamental or striking; even in winter, the long slender branches of beautiful bright green render it most attractive. 'Pendula' is still used today as a formal specimen or living sculpture. Its convoluted branching structure makes very little growth on its own, so it must be grafted to seedling understock at the desired ultimate height of the resulting tree. Another early variety, Styphnolobium japonicum 'Violacea', is apparently no longer available in the nursery trade, although it is grown at the Arnold Arboretum. Brought from China to the Paris Jardin des Plantes in the 1850s, this variant was described as having flowers "stained with rose-violet". Although the flowers may have been beautiful, it bloomed too late to open well. and may have been given up because its flowering was unreliable. A third variety, 'Variegata', was soundly disliked by all who wrote about it, and is also no longer available. Sargent wrote, "The color of the leaf is sickly and we do not consider it desirable, except for arboretums." A variety that can still be found is 'Tortuosa', which is marked by twisted branching and very slow growth. There is also some good images on http://www.davesgarden.com (but they're copyrighted and didn't know if i could post here), if you search for sophora japonica not styphnolobium japonicum, yes confusing i know:001_rolleyes: Hope this has helped and i will carry on searching everynow and again:thumbup:

That's the only shot I've got at the mo, will be home soon and get the full details and see if I can get more images:biggrin: Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

I meant stratification, predictive text, doh! Its the same thing, simulating winter for the seeds Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

You mean scarification?? Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

anything like this?

Do us a favour tony, just google images Styphnolobium japonicum to check that it is the right tree before i go searching for cultivars and varieties and strange one off hybrids:001_tt2: Also can you tell me the site of the original tree as this sometimes helps, ta:thumbup1:

got ya (posted at the same time) Styphnolobium japonicum it is then! hunting here we come:biggrin:

so does it have a compound pinnate leaf or is it the single simple leaf like robs dogwood suggestion?

Not challenge, but MISSION accepted:biggrin: Give me a week or two and I'll track down what info I can:thumbup: To start though, do you mean the pagoda tree? In latin it can get confusing as I think synonyms are similar eg Sophora japonica and Styphnolobium japonicum??? Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

Depends on the tree:001_rolleyes: Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

I'm working on my missus, but she ain't interested... ID's that is ! Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

Thanks:thumbup:, will see what john p and sloth come up with first, don't overly want to put people out, but I always return a favour:biggrin: Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

Can you get some leaves whilst your there:lol: Sent from Rob's GalaxySII

Grossman sauce in botulism warning - Yahoo!

Oaks I'm good at:thumbup: Hama I'll put pics up for "the challenge:lol:" in my tree ID thread when I get back on the laptop, I'll start with an easy one for you:biggrin: Sent from Rob's GalaxySII