Is there a lack of groundman?

[karl1991]

At my place I'm the only one PAYE. I earn 85 quid a day, I climb, drag, trim, rake up, chip whatever.

There is another climber who is self employed on 100 a day as soon as his feet are off the ground.

 

I don't agree with the wages as such, I mean Fridays 1st job was knocking a limb off encroaching on a building that took around 2 hours. He climbed.

 

The rest of the day I spent knocking 14 Connies down to 8ft from 40 in a 3 tier garden with green houses and part rotten wooden retaining walls underneath. 85 quid.

 

The whole wage balance between ground/climb is awkward. You could break it down again, imagine a massive takedown with a 10ft drag to the chipper, and groundies are expecting mega pay? Or a small tree removal with a nightmare drag? Climbers expecting top cash? It's really awkward to find a nice wage imo

 

 

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[Stoatally]

I guess the other difference is as PAYE you get holiday, statutory sick etc. As self employed, he doesn't.

[Mark Bolam]

Joe Newton, you should try being a bit more positive, it might do wonders for you and folks around you.

 

 

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I've only known him three years and I regularly want to turn my chainsaw on myself.

 

 

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[Billy]

At my place I'm the only one PAYE. I earn 85 quid a day, I climb, drag, trim, rake up, chip whatever.

There is another climber who is self employed on 100 a day as soon as his feet are off the ground.

 

I don't agree with the wages as such, I mean Fridays 1st job was knocking a limb off encroaching on a building that took around 2 hours. He climbed.

 

The rest of the day I spent knocking 14 Connies down to 8ft from 40 in a 3 tier garden with green houses and part rotten wooden retaining walls underneath. 85 quid.

 

The whole wage balance between ground/climb is awkward. You could break it down again, imagine a massive takedown with a 10ft drag to the chipper, and groundies are expecting mega pay? Or a small tree removal with a nightmare drag? Climbers expecting top cash? It's really awkward to find a nice wage imo

 

 

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Id rather have 85 as an employee than 100 self employed for similar roles. I would imagine you earn more when all is said and done at end of year.

[Jonny69]

At my place I'm the only one PAYE. I earn 85 quid a day, I climb, drag, trim, rake up, chip whatever.

There is another climber who is self employed on 100 a day as soon as his feet are off the ground.

 

I don't agree with the wages as such, I mean Fridays 1st job was knocking a limb off encroaching on a building that took around 2 hours. He climbed.

 

The rest of the day I spent knocking 14 Connies down to 8ft from 40 in a 3 tier garden with green houses and part rotten wooden retaining walls underneath. 85 quid.

 

The whole wage balance between ground/climb is awkward. You could break it down again, imagine a massive takedown with a 10ft drag to the chipper, and groundies are expecting mega pay? Or a small tree removal with a nightmare drag? Climbers expecting top cash? It's really awkward to find a nice wage imo

 

 

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I am no expert, having never been employed and not gone out self employed for about 10 years, but I think you actually earn more than the self employed climber. I would think at £110 he would earn the same as you are now. Assuming your employer provides everything (PPE, chainsaws, climbing gear etc) and he provides everything himself.

[karl1991]

I am no expert, having never been employed and not gone out self employed for about 10 years, but I think you actually earn more than the self employed climber. I would think at £110 he would earn the same as you are now. Assuming your employer provides everything (PPE, chainsaws, climbing gear etc) and he provides everything himself.

I buy my own trousers, and get £100 towards boots ( the no risk boots are 99, but I put 80 towards meindl) I always use my own climbing saw, climbing gear, and ground saw sometimes.

 

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[Richard 1234]

I buy my own trousers, and get £100 towards boots ( the no risk boots are 99, but I put 80 towards meindl) I always use my own climbing saw, climbing gear, and ground saw sometimes.

 

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I'd ask for some ppe!

They have no choice but to provide it.

And then ld be leaving saws and other kit at home.

When they start complaining offer to rent your kit out to them

[csservices]

I was getting 90 a day self employed grounds man providing my own ppe but using their saws, which caused constant moaning as I was on 5 pound a day more than his lead climber and about 30 a day more than his groundies on the books, but like I said to them I don't get holiday pay, sick pay etc and was usually there long after they had left doing saw maintenance etc

[karl1991]

I'd ask for some ppe!

They have no choice but to provide it.

And then ld be leaving saws and other kit at home.

When they start complaining offer to rent your kit out to them

The kits battered, part of tree work I suppose but It pisses me off having haggard gear that doesn't work so I use my own.

 

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[aspenarb]

I was getting 90 a day self employed grounds man providing my own ppe but using their saws, which caused constant moaning as I was on 5 pound a day more than his lead climber and about 30 a day more than his groundies on the books, but like I said to them I don't get holiday pay, sick pay etc and was usually there long after they had left doing saw maintenance etc

 

Lunchbreak wage comparisons is the very reason I have to pay them all a flat rate, if they could all keep their traps shut they would get paid their worth,for some it would be less than they are on.

 

Bob