Making the news today....

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

36 minutes ago, aspenarb said:

Moving on before David locks the playground

 

The Brain drain, twas  of concern a few years ago and is back in the spotlight. .I wondered  if the combination of brexit and the new technologies alliances being forged with the Merikuns  will worsen the situation. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/03/brexit-universities-academics-eu-rights

 

Bob

 

 

The article declares itself wholly invalid and irrelevant (in all respects other than maintaining the Bremoantard momentum) in the 3rd paragraph:

 

"... However, the figures do not take into account new staff arriving from the EU..." 

 

How difficult would it be to present the net figures?  Why wouldn't the author take a moment to do that and present a true picture??

[Gary Prentice]

2 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The article declares itself wholly invalid and irrelevant (in all respects other than maintaining the Bremoantard momentum) in the 3rd paragraph:

 

"... However, the figures do not take into account new staff arriving from the EU..." 

 

How difficult would it be to present the net figures?  Why wouldn't the author take a moment to do that and present a true picture??

I stopped reading after this;

 

 

Julian Huppert, an academic and Liberal Democrat candidate for Cambridge who compiled the data on the departure of EU academics, said Brexit risked leading to a “sharp rise” in people from Europe leaving.

 

You gotta love statistics for proving your opinion,

 

 

 

[WesD]

@matelot why where you in the 3rd world?

[Gary Prentice]

56 minutes ago, WesD said:

@matelot why where you in the 3rd world?

missionary work?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

20 hours ago, Mesterh said:

you people and your way of thinking will never come to power as thankfully you are in the minority. 

 

19 hours ago, Mesterh said:

I know nothing of the afd polling, is it a poll asking if you hate anyone that isnt British?

 

18 hours ago, Mesterh said:

 I dont think that who wins the vote in Germany has anything to do with up rise in the racist community in the UK but please correct me if im wrong.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying I disagree with you.  

 

I disagree that expressing legitimate concern over uncontrolled immigration and the overt islamification of Europe should be labelled as racist by those that can't see it for what it is and, because they don't see it, they seek to demonise those that do with distasteful labels.  

 

The German election is underway today (https://ig.ft.com/germany-poll-tracker/?&segmentId=9ce01cde-b50a-e27b-c45a-1af2175e42ce&gclid=Cj0KCQjwr53OBRCDARIsAL0vKrPCiFbOHiDCZ7VVB1Cdl-kbAeld63t6x9H8XeL8gY9-pWCc30nr_WoaAl3QEALw_wcB) Despite having made what will probably be viewed as the single biggest miscalculation by any Western political leader in this century, Merkel will, almost inevitably be returned for a fourth term.  

 

Maybe that proves that the majority of Germans are not concerned about the immigration issue?  

 

Conversely, maybe Merkel's reversal of her atrocious open doors policy and the significant stiffening of immigration regulations in Germany demonstrates that she has (although falling well short of publicly acknowledging and apologising for it) decided that her political survival is more important than her political ideology?  

 

Maybe the weight of influence of the AfD (in a similar way that UKIP's influence led to Cameron delivering the Brexit referendum) has brought a dose of reality to Merkel which has caused her to veer away from her previous path.

 

I agree with the statement (in a peculiar sense) that "...whoever wins the vote in Germany has nothing to do with the rise in the racist community in the UK..." 

 

But I'd ask, what do you base the presumption of a rise in the racist community in the UK on?

What happens in the UK has a fairly limited ability to effect domestic politics in Germany (Brexit aside)

I expect there will be racists within the AfD (similarly in the UK, the anti-Semitic members of the Labour party, the fruit cakes of UKIP and the old landed gentry of the Tory party....  Racists all of 'em.  Dam, they're everywhere!) But expressing views on immigration is not (of itself) a qualifying criteria for that club. 

 

My counter point to your declaration that "...you people and your way of thinking will never come to power as thankfully you are in the minority..." is that there are clear, obvious and measurable contradictions to your assumption which can been seen and drawn from consideration of the bigger picture issues associated with a raft of recent political events such as the rise in popular support for the National Front in France, AfD in Germany, UKIP in the UK, Trump in the US, the Freedom Party of Austria etc.  With the exception of Trump, the others didn't break through the glass ceiling to become fully established as 'in power' political parties.  

 

What they did do however, was deliver significant political effect by giving the mainstream parties a 'loud & clear' message that people - the masses - were becoming increasingly intolerant of their policies which resulted in notable deviations from preferred courses. 

 

In that respect, I disagree with you that "...you people and your way of thinking will never come to power as thankfully you are in the minority..." because, although not in what might be the traditional sense of "power" i.e. the majority ruling party, it is perfectly clear that the "power" to directly influence the mainstream is already well established. 

 

The digging a hole thing - well, that was my attempt at a humorous reflection on what I'd interpreted as a switch from the half-baked, failed attempt to bandy around the racist label, to your similarly half baked and poorly thought through religious argument.  Where are we going next?  Vivisection? Legalisation of drugs? The ethics of combining human and animal DNA? 

   

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

58 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

missionary position?

[Gary Prentice]

5 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Either that or cultural ambassador.

 

 

Sorry Matelot, couldn't resist.

[skyhuck]

19 hours ago, matelot said:

I just hope you and Mesterh are better at cutting trees down than intellectual discussion 

Do you really think many people read your posts and think they are in any way "intellectual"? 

[WesD]

I’m genuinely interested in why @matelot was in the 3rd world.

 

Some of his views from his experience I concur with as I have seen corruption 1st hand in a 3rd world country too.  I do not tar them all with the same brush however as I also saw goodness in a lot of people from the same place.

 

I was working in the 3rd world and ill stick my neck out and presume @matelot was working too and fair enough if this is the case however I am happy for people from the 3rd world to come to the UK to work if they can offer a skill or something we are short on.

 

I really think we should mirror the Oz system for immigration, benefits should be off the table full stop as should the nhs for a number of years, health insurance a legal obligation for a number of years then when a contribution pot has been built up nhs access.

 

I think we have a lot of non British doctors and medical staff to use an obvious example and I commend them and respect them as they come here to make a difference to their lives and in the process they make a difference to ours! 

 

In summary we need people in this country and people who want to come to this country to pay for the privilege so we can stay great (couldn’t help the cliche) Britain as we have future generations to think about not just us in the here and now.

 

[matelot]

11 minutes ago, skyhuck said:

Do you really think many people read your posts and think they are in any way "intellectual"? 

Well how about I say that some people, on this thread, have a child like understanding of the world? They would make Forest Gump look intellectual..

 

Today a "far right" party has been elected to the German Parliament - the first time in 60 years.... However it was only yesterday that someone here was saying the "far right" were going nowhere in Europe....