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[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

I can only speak of the people I talk to, hydraulic engineer on £40k/year. Ok, they get the perks of being employed, but it’s no great shakes when working shifts. They could move on but where to? We all aren’t nomads.

So they are earning a relatively good wage then? They will be income tax contributors, not a drain. I really dont see what your point is here? If they are not happy with that wage they can negotiate a wage rise or leave. Same as its ever been. 

[eggsarascal]

4 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

So they are earning a relatively good wage then? They will be income tax contributors, not a drain. I really dont see what your point is here? If they are not happy with that wage they can negotiate a wage rise or leave. Same as its ever been. 

The point is, on £40k into a family home you can still get benefits, does that not say the pay is not enough. Surely if you earn enough you wouldn’t be entitled to tax payers money.

[trigger_andy]

1 minute ago, eggsarascal said:

The point is, on £40k into a family home you can still get benefits, does that not say the pay is not enough. Surely if you earn enough you wouldn’t be entitled to tax payers money.

I get child benefit paid from Norway, according to your argument Im not paid enough.  

[GarethM]

Well that's assuming your partner isn't atleast working part time.

 

Even if you say 15-20k part time, plus the 40k isn't a bad earning for a household if you have kids.

 

You can't just have 50k as a minimum wage, false minimum wage just distorts the economy. And still would fail to achieve your goal.

 

A loaf of own brand supermarket bread at 50k would be £8.

Edited January 23, 2023 by GarethM

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Well that's assuming your partner isn't atleast working part time.

 

Even if you say 15-20k part time, plus the 40k isn't a bad earning for a household of you have kids.

 

You can't just have 50k as a minimum wage, false minimum wage just distorts the economy.

 

A loaf of own brand supermarket bread at 50k would be £8.

Nonsense, there are vast swathes of people earning £40k plus and still claiming my hard earned. I don’t have children and have never signed on, and payed my dues on time. Why should I top up someone’s wage because they aren’t paid enough.

[GarethM]

I've not said anything about benefits, I've claimed for zero and hopefully never will.

 

I'm saying just paying more achieves nothing, maybe I was brought up to ask for nothing and expect nothing.

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, GarethM said:

I've not said anything about benefits, I've claimed for zero and hopefully never will.

 

I'm saying just paying more achieves nothing, maybe I was brought up to ask for nothing and expect nothing.

Perhaps you’ve missed the point, the subject is, more households are taking more money out of the system than they are paying in.

[Mark J]

6 hours ago, trigger_andy said:

Ban Mark J from his accountant?  

[GarethM]

Did the lawyer also trip whilst his pants were down, or something like that.

[GarethM]

No your subject is an automatic you need to pay them more, which still doesn't fix your argument that people aren't payed enough.

 

Just because you move the threshold ie pay more, it fails to fix the not having enough which at 40k is laughable.

 

So that leaves the option of changing the system to not pay benefit, which you would then mean people aren't payed enough yet again.