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[MattyF]

Great job!
 
Your key points so far:
 
1) I’m a smug prick
2) Your lass is ex-council estate
3) You use baler twine to hold your pants up and townies are all twats. 
 
Oxford Union debating society?
 
 

1,Yep of the highest order , look at you .. You ooze utter babe in every post you make with your I've got an MBE every one else is inferior..
2, I'll tell you what son I'll ****************ing ram your teeth so far down your throat if I have the chance to meet you now you have brought that into it..
3, yes so what that's what all us cap doffing lower class scum do...

****************ing hilarious ... utter prick

[Big J]

3 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Great job!

 

Your key points so far:

 

1) I’m a smug prick

2) Your lass is ex-council estate

3) You use baler twine to hold your pants up and townies are all twats. 
 

Oxford Union debating society?

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, MattyF said:

1,Yep of the highest order , look at you .. You ooze utter babe in every post you make with your I've got an MBE every one else is inferior..
2, I'll tell you what son I'll ****************ing ram your teeth so far down your throat if I have the chance to meet you now you have brought that into it..
3, yes so what that's what all us cap doffing lower class scum do...

****************ing hilarious ... utter prick

 

I see what the problem is here. Isn't it obvious? 

 

[John Shutler]

42 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

I did say that my comments were general, and your shoot doesn't bear much relation to the estates on which I've worked with huge drives.

 

I simply find the presence of pheasant pens in woodlands to be unsightly and with the associated issues highlighted above, I don't personally see the point. I can think of better ways to enjoy my Saturday than standing in the rain trying to blast some gormless bird out of the sky.

Each to their own.

What would you do to enjoy your Saturday?

[Khriss]

1 minute ago, Big J said:

 

 

I see what the problem is here. Isn't it obvious? 

 

Now now.... And when are you moving to Sweden Jon 😉  

( reef was lovely by the way, and no trees!) k

[eggsarascal]

4: I know where my money would be...

[Big J]

Just now, John Shutler said:

What would you do to enjoy your Saturday?

 

I'm a great fan of wild swimming, but haven't had much of a chance to do that here. Forest walks (busmans holiday, I know) or fishing. 

 

I was so excited about the fishing when we moved down here, as (with me being a coarse angler) England is much better than Scotland, but sadly it wasn't as good as what I remembered as a kid in Derbyshire. There are the carp lakes, yes, but very few rivers worth fishing as they're all trout and salmon.

 

Beyond that, I'd like to get back into cycling, which is unfortunately a suicidal endevour in Devon, especially as I'd like to take the kids too.

[monkeybusiness]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

 

I did say that my comments were general, and your shoot doesn't bear much relation to the estates on which I've worked with huge drives.

 

I simply find the presence of pheasant pens in woodlands to be unsightly and with the associated issues highlighted above, I don't personally see the point. I can think of better ways to enjoy my Saturday than standing in the rain trying to blast some gormless bird out of the sky.

Each to their own.

The huge drives on the estates that you refer to will bring in far more money than the standing crop the pens are spoiling. 

[Commando]

1,Yep of the highest order , look at you .. You ooze utter babe in every post you make with your I've got an MBE every one else is inferior..
2, I'll tell you what son I'll ****************ing ram your teeth so far down your throat if I have the chance to meet you now you have brought that into it..
3, yes so what that's what all us cap doffing lower class scum do...

****************ing hilarious ... utter prick

Hey come on Matty, there is nothing there, said or implied, to merit that response.
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[difflock]

18 hours ago, Big J said:

 

I understand why you organise the shoot and enjoy it. I've eaten plenty of pheasant and have worked for shooting estates in the past in a forestry capacity. May I make a few general observations though?

 

Firstly, from a forestry perspective, pheasant shoots are a nightmare. The infrastructure (pens) left in the woods puts metalwork everywhere, which compromises the value of the crop and makes harvesting awkward and unpleasant.

 

Secondly, there is evidence to suggest that pheasant shoots support larger grey squirrel populations. Taken from Shootinguk.co.uk:

"The possible link between the decline of woodland song birds and grey squirrel predation is now the subject of Game Conservancy research, particularly as it has been suggested woodlands where pheasants are fed may hold higher stocks of grey squirrels due to the abundance of food"

 

Thirdly, from an aesthetic point of view, pheasant holding woodlands are hideous. The combination of the pens, unsympathetic woodland management (ie managed for the shoot as opposed to species diversity of timber quality) and profusion of idiot pheasants and scrounging grey squirrels just ruins any enjoyment anyone might derive from the place.

 

I'm entirely supportive of rough shooting to control pest species (such as grey squirrels). Why is there a need to go to all the effort and destruction of a driven pheasant shoot. 

 

There is also the environmental impact of releasing 57 million non-native birds into our countryside each year....

I agree with that analysis.

I also have deep misgivings about nurturing livestock for the pleasure of hunting it to death/blasting it out of the sky. 

I have the same misgivings about restocking fishing waters for paid anglers, or the catch and release policy, which must amount to repeated torture.

I also loathe and detest the provactive and carefully filmed and edited antics of the hunt sabs.

Most of these activities are driven by too many humans and not enough nature, simply because of too many humans.

Edit:

Perhaps odd(but not really having been very distressed at seeing a working abbotier as a 14-15 year old), that as a livestock farmers son, I applaud the recent developments in culturing or growing viable meat substitutes in factories.

Perhaps then there will not be such a reliance on factory produced pork and chicken, where the poor birds are referred to as "crops" and treated as such. Also the conundrum of the intelligence of pigs, and pigs being seen merely as a foodstuff by most, while at the same time most would be abhorred at eating dogmeat, with dogs being of similar intelligence to pigs.

Grass fed cattle or sheep, at least get some life, prior to their slaughter, and if grazing marginal uncultivable grasslands or rocky/boggy mountain pastures, a win win on all counts.

 Marcus.

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by difflock

[trigger_andy]

2 minutes ago, difflock said:

I agree with that analysis.

I also have deep misgivings about nurturing livestock for the pleasure of hunting it to death/blasting it out of the sky. 

I have the same misgivings about restocking fishing waters for paid anglers, or the catch and release policy, which must amount to repeated torture.

I also loathe and detest the provactive and carefully filmed and edited antics of the hunt sabs.

Most of these activities are driven by too many humans and not enough nature, simply because of too many humans.

I see where your coming from here. I feel if I where to take the stance of being against raising beasts and birds for the pleasure of blasting them outta the sky or shooting them then Id have to become a vegetarian. That is if they're being eaten after of course. I think being raised in the wild, or as close to the wild as possible then cleanly dispatched is a far better life than on a farm and then killed to Halal standards.