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[Youngstu]

3 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 

 

AKA Whataboutism .

 

 

Or, as Johnsond has expressed how professional and tolerant he is in the workplace, I wondered how he would behave in such a situation in his professional capacity, even though he holds such strong views on the subject in question (that he brought to this thread!).

Like it or not, this is something that has to be dealt with at the current time and I'm curious how someone holding such strong views would keep them in check when in the workplace in order that they don't end up coming up against discrimination allegations etc.

It's not a subject that I find easy to understand or deal with either, but having seen friends have to deal with children in this situation and being aware of the massive mental health impacts on those young people, I appreciate that it is something that needs to be understood/accepted/tolerated by those around them,  one way or another. 

[Johnsond]

15 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

So, just out of curiosity, how would you respond if you found that one of the "men" that you'd been working with was born female, or one of the "women" had been born male and had undergone gender reassignment surgery earlier in their life, with the majority , if not all of their documents stating their current gender? 

If that’s the best what if scenario you can come up with bud your better off quitting digging now. I don’t work with women as a rule but regards the blokes most hold the same  views as me and the majority  of right minded half sensible people. You are born male  or female you can not change that. Gender reassignment is nothing more than a surgical procedure it does not make a man into a woman or a woman into a man except in the twisted deluded minds of fools. 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Johnsond

[Rough Hewn]

Shades of grey my friends…
I’ve lived and worked in Brighton for years… worked with transgenders.
They mostly just want to be accepted not vilified.

[Rough Hewn]

That’s the playboy centrefold…

[Youngstu]

8 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

If that’s the best what if scenario you can come up with bud your better off quitting digging now. I don’t work with women as a rule but regards the blokes most hold the same  views as me and the majority  of right minded half sensible people. You are born male  or female you can not change that. Gender reassignment is nothing more than a surgical procedure it does not make a man into a woman or a woman into a man except in the twisted deluded minds of fools. 

Ok, I'll try one more "what if scenario" and see if you'll give a straight answer...

 

If a good friend of yours had a son, who for example at the age of 12 made it clear that they wanted to "present" as a girl and be regarded as such by everybody and the family respected this wish, accepted the name change, their choice of clothing etc.

 

Would you be willing to refer to them as she, use their chosen name etc, or would you refuse to do so, sticking to your principles and beliefs and insist on calling them a boy, using their original male given name etc, even though their family asked you to follow the child's wishes?  

[Johnsond]

Just now, Youngstu said:

Ok, I'll try one more "what if scenario" and see if you'll give a straight answer...

 

If a good friend of yours had a son, who for example at the age of 12 made it clear that they wanted to "present" as a girl and be regarded as such by everybody and the family respected this wish, accepted the name change, their choice of clothing etc.

 

Would you be willing to refer to them as she, use their chosen name etc, or would you refuse to do so, sticking to your principles and beliefs and insist on calling them a boy, using their original male given name etc, even though their family asked you to follow the child's wishes?  

At 12 they are in my opinion too young to make that life long decision. If his names Jack I’ve no intentions of calling him Jill. Hope that’s straight enough an answer for you. Quite frankly I doubt very much that it’s even a remotely plausible scenario in the overwhelming majority of people’s lives. I’m happy to give a straight answer to any question bud, but don’t try and create a variety of  scenarios to justify a point of view. 

[Johnsond]

12 minutes ago, Rough Hewn said:

Shades of grey my friends…
I’ve lived and worked in Brighton for years… worked with transgenders.
They mostly just want to be accepted not vilified.

They can be what they want Saul I just don’t think it’s down to the NHS to be encouraging or paying for it in children. 

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[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Youngstu said:

Or, as Johnsond has expressed how professional and tolerant he is in the workplace, I wondered how he would behave in such a situation in his professional capacity, even though he holds such strong views on the subject in question (that he brought to this thread!).

Like it or not, this is something that has to be dealt with at the current time and I'm curious how someone holding such strong views would keep them in check when in the workplace in order that they don't end up coming up against discrimination allegations etc.

It's not a subject that I find easy to understand or deal with either, but having seen friends have to deal with children in this situation and being aware of the massive mental health impacts on those young people, I appreciate that it is something that needs to be understood/accepted/tolerated by those around them,  one way or another. 

I do hold strong views on it whenever use of NHS money is being promoted and used to as the article describes potentially ruin children’s lives. I’ll ask you a question did you know what you truly wanted to be or do before in this case puberty ???. 
So as you are one of the follow the science advocates on here for the past 18 months can you tell me that a male can be a female or a female a male after a surgical procedure ??. 

[harvey b davison]

I believe in live and let live. If a Male wants to go through gender reassignment or Visa versa, or a person is openly gay, then fine so what ? If that person is ok with me then I'm ok with them. What I don't want is their views rammed down my throat or the NHS to pay for it. It's a personal choice, you want to gender reassign, fine, no problem, but you fund it yourself. Your still the same person, and I'll still be right with you, but just don't ram your ideals down my throat.