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[Johnsond]

16 minutes ago, Khriss said:

You dont. K

Doesn’t even make sense 

[Khriss]

2 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Cannabis farms and handguns ?‍♂️?‍♂️You smoking it right now ?? Inner city criminal firearms use is statistically far far more prevalent than anything that occurs in the countryside or rural locations. You need to get that diving holiday booked and get some high PPO2 into you to clear your head. 
The era of predators you describe wandering the countryside is long gone. What was the population of the UK last time we had such animals in the wild as opposed to now??. 
Regarding  subsidies and farmers I’d probs not disagree too much but until we are willing to pay a lot more for food then it’s gonna be that way. 

No . I work in Rail with random drug and alcohol testing. As anyone would be well aware. K

[Stubby]

I think a lot of things changed after Micheal Ryan went bonkers in Hungerford   in 1987 .  I could be wrong but this lead to the withdrawal of any hand guns  and auto rifles and I think the " crimping " of auto and pump shot guns so that you could only load with 3 shells instead of 5 .

[Johnsond]

2 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I think a lot of things changed after Micheal Ryan went bonkers in Hungerford   in 1987 .  I could be wrong but this lead to the withdrawal of any hand guns  and auto rifles and I think the " crimping " of auto and pump shot guns so that you could only load with 3 shells instead of 5 .

Hungerford was semi not auto rifles 

Dunblane was pistols inc Olympic 22 target pistols courtesy of Blair. Shotgun capacity was restricted to 2+1 unless on an FAC at the same time as semi auto rifles went sect 5 

[Johnsond]

26 minutes ago, Khriss said:

No . I work in Rail with random drug and alcohol testing. As anyone would be well aware. K

Random D & A is everywhere nowadays. It was more a comment aimed at the at the scene you painted of cannabis farms and pistol toting drug dealers all over the Countryside ?

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Hungerford was semi not auto rifles 

Dunblane was pistols inc Olympic 22 target pistols courtesy of Blair. Shotgun capacity was restricted to 2+1 unless on an FAC at the same time as semi auto rifles went sect 5 

Can you still have a 5 shot auto on an FAC ( wild fowl only ) ?

Edited November 29, 2020 by Stubby

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Can you still have a 5 shot auto on an FAC ( wild foul only ) ?

You probably would not get a sect 1 shotgun slot for wild fowling, but a lot depends on your liaison officer so never say never. Pest control ( pigeon/crow etc)  and Practical Shotgun are the two reasons most commonly used. 
Ref the Fowling im on the lookout for a 10 bore, always fancied one and love those old punt guns ??

Edited November 29, 2020 by Johnsond

[Jamespepperpot]

I think the problem with the UK and its relationship with hunting is that its always been associated with the upper classes and something thats not available to everyone. I don't think the general public are entirely against things like deer stalking which put food on the table and from most of the conversations I've had with people they are easily convinced that its a perfectly acceptable thing to do if you're planning to eat it.

The idea that the shooting community stick together and be wary of things like fox hunting getting banned is a little bizarre. It doesn't relate to real hunting in the slightest. If we want to carry on being able to own firearms and go hunting the community needs to realise that the general public need to see the positive side to these things. The problem with fox hunting and pheasant shooting is that it puts the whole of 'hunting' in a bad light so clinging on to these isn't doing us any favours.

[Youngstu]

8 hours ago, Johnsond said:

You are showing either your age or a total lack of base knowledge of the subject in hand. The info you require is easy to source online and many on here whom are or were  shooters will know full well the impact of a succession of firearms amendments starting with semi auto full bore then pistols and recently MARS type eqpt. My point is because it was and is a minority sport it’s easy to chip away at each discipline with relatively little opposition. Death by a thousand cuts and all that regardless of it being one of the safest and most stringently regulated activities an individual can partake in. 

Lack of base knowledge on the topic, that's me, hence the questions. Also not knowing what your preferred shooting disciplines are lead me to my post. I used to do full bore and small bore target shooting when I was a kid, fired off clays as a Sunday job a long time ago and have a cheap air rifle for keeping the rats in the chicken run under control. Other than the air rifle I probably haven't fired a gun for 25 years. I'm obviously aware that there were times when new legislation was imposed in response to serious incidents when at the time legal firearms were used. 

What kinds of firearms did you used to enjoy using, that you can no longer own or use?  and is there no legal alternative that still enables similar sporting enjoyment without the same real or perceived risks if they fell into the wrong hands? 

As I said I have no issue with the use of firearms for hunting or other sport, but my general level of ignorance on the subject, combined with an interest in hearing different points of view has lead me to these questions, as opposed to looking for a debate on it. 

[David Cropper]

1 minute ago, Youngstu said:

Lack of base knowledge on the topic, that's me, hence the questions. Also not knowing what your preferred shooting disciplines are lead me to my post. I used to do full bore and small bore target shooting when I was a kid, fired off clays as a Sunday job a long time ago and have a cheap air rifle for keeping the rats in the chicken run under control. Other than the air rifle I probably haven't fired a gun for 25 years. I'm obviously aware that there were times when new legislation was imposed in response to serious incidents when at the time legal firearms were used. 

What kinds of firearms did you used to enjoy using, that you can no longer own or use?  and is there no legal alternative that still enables similar sporting enjoyment without the same real or perceived risks if they fell into the wrong hands? 

As I said I have no issue with the use of firearms for hunting or other sport, but my general level of ignorance on the subject, combined with an interest in hearing different points of view has lead me to these questions, as opposed to looking for a debate on it. 

At least you're honest about your lack of knowledge and want to know more about it. Don't expect to just have your questions answered with a "debate", not on here! You seem to be able to hold your own. Good for you.