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[Woodworks]

On 20/04/2020 at 11:00, tree-fancier123 said:

and you don't think the current government hasn't been through academia with a fine tooth comb looking for people who can at least partially understand these phenomena. Personally I don't think the advisers they have used either in government, or those in universities could have been any better. Remember all over the world scientists have been at odds over how to manage this.

There are 3 main points

1 - lockdowns clearly slow the spread, the more complete the lockdown the better

2- shutting most of the economy for more than a few weeks may well cause more long term suffering than just letting people die and carrying on, with mass burials of those who don't make it. Putting financial strength and natural selection before compassion (hope they don't do this as I'm asthmatic and not looking forward to atypical pneumonia). The thing is the financial impact of the lockdown will suck wealth from the many to save the few who wouldn't survive the disease. We do this because we are compassionate. 

3 - related to point 2, and very much realating to your point about hiring the best experts is the idea of herd immunity, now this is something nearly all experts agree on, but how to go about it is where they differ. I suppose a vaccine is artifical herd immunity, but it doesn't yet exist.

Look at todays graph from the Uk gov Covid 19 dashboard, the government has listened to the best people and tried very hard to discriminate the relevant information. Chris Witty and his colleagues in the medical schools and universities have served us well - it's looking under control

Sure a total lockdown a month earlier, including sea and land ports would have saved lives, but without significant hospital deaths being reported there would have been low acceptance of infringement of civil liberty and shuttering almost the entire economy.

Just look at those charts - that is success, not failure. I say well done to all. No one alive has had to deal with shit like this before, so don't expect the PM to get every last detail right. Surely even an ex drug user would agree Boris is miles better than Trump? I know even my partially distorted reformed druggie brain can see that Boris is pretty good at this crisis. And in the past I've voted Labour, Green and Conservative. It would have been Conservative again before Christmas, but I had a broken ankle and it was a done deal so I put my feet up and abstained.

Interesting graph but not seen any others that give me much hope rather the opposite. All I see is the UK public dont understand about avoiding contacts as our case levels have barely dropped while many of our European compatriots get it and have considerably lowered their cases. If we dont come into contact with others we cant catch it. Do that for three weeks and it's gone. If we keep on being so daft we wont get infection rates down so will find it hard to lift lockdown.

[tree-fancier123]

57 minutes ago, Woodworks said:

Do that for three weeks and it's gone. If we keep on being so daft we wont get infection rates down so will find it hard to lift lockdown.

children of key workers still in school, key workers commuting, supermarket distancing a joke, flights still arriving without temperature checks on entry

even so the daily hospital deaths hasn't been above a thousand yet, Nightingale hospital virtually empty.

[donnk]

on the bright side the shitholes that are london and birmingham is getting cleaned out a bit. 

 

Could maybe order the RAf to carpet bomb both to kill the virus and corona at the same time.

[tree-fancier123]

So

11 minutes ago, donnk said:

on the bright side the shitholes that are london and birmingham is getting cleaned out a bit. 

 

Could maybe order the RAf to carpet bomb both to kill the virus and corona at the same time.

what do you even mean kill the virus and corona ay the same time? You and Eggs - your posts are a bit like AI chat bots. Perhaps webmasters are investing in them to keep post count averages up

[Mark J]

13 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

So

what do you even mean kill the virus and corona ay the same time? You and Eggs - your posts are a bit like AI chat bots. Perhaps webmasters are investing in them to keep post count averages up

He means, I suggest, that the 'virus' are people of non-white skin colour. Which makes him a bit of horrible racist, if that was what he was suggesting. If not, then I apologise for any percieved insult.
Eggs is real.

[Toad]

1 minute ago, Mark J said:

He means, I suggest, that the 'virus' are people of non-white skin colour. Which makes him a bit of horrible racist, if that was what he was suggesting. If not, then I apologise for any percieved insult.
Eggs is real.

That is how I took it too.

 

New low for arbtalk today.

[Richard 1234]

3 minutes ago, Toad said:

That is how I took it too.

 

New low for arbtalk today.

Could be he meant all of London and Birmingham being took out making him not racist just evil all round

[Mark J]

2 minutes ago, Toad said:

That is how I took it too.

 

New low for arbtalk today.

Yup, Pretty grim.

[Mark J]

1 minute ago, Richard 1234 said:

Could be he meant all of London and Birmingham being took out making him not racist just evil all round

He could, but he didn't.

[donnk]

8 minutes ago, Mark J said:

He means, I suggest, that the 'virus' are people of non-white skin colour. Which makes him a bit of horrible racist, if that was what he was suggesting. If not, then I apologise for any percieved insult.
Eggs is real.

thats a very racist thing to say. Racist.