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[Conor Wright]

1 hour ago, Ratman said:

You read too much Chessa i couldnt take it all in, i’d get all my words in a mucking fuddle ?. Not to argue against anyones hardships or misfortunes, as i’ve been lucky in life as of yet. I’m not sure in this case it could be just specifically blamed on poverty?
Timon did explain that the girl had a child that stayed with her mother (childs grandmother) and he had witnessed her coming to the scene and approaching her, begging her to come back home for xmas etc, that would suggest that financially she could have been supported? Do you think she could have been ill (mentally) causing her to end up doing what she did on the streets?

Smack becomes everything to a heroin addict. Seen a couple of people go down that road. Some have the inner will and strength to  overcome it, whether they get support from others or not. More die. Some break the habit and then off themselves due to the depression of a wasted life. Some li e on

As regards homelessness. It's only a few missed mortgage/rent payments away for most.

Its easy to judge, i try not to... but its foolish to give a junkie cash. Itll only go one place. No dealers gonna give out a hit for a coffee and a sandwich. What gets me is that i strongly doubt someone forced a needle into her vein the first time around.. i mean, who doesnt know what heroin can do. 

[tree-fancier123]

3 minutes ago, Conor Wright said:

i mean, who doesnt know what heroin can do.

I don't - I mean I've often wondered what it can do, but never tried it. Must be nice. I'll wait till I get cancer, then have a play with madness

[Gary Prentice]

After seeing what heroin did to my twin sister, I've no desire to try it even with cancer. That's a pretty daft comment.

[Conor Wright]

2 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

I don't - I mean I've often wondered what it can do, but never tried it. Must be nice. I'll wait till I get cancer, then have a play with madness

What I meant was we are all well aware of the dangers of it.. not that I presumed most people have tried it! But yeah, it must be nice.. the first couple of times, then three months later youre living in a doorway, struggling to find a vein so you can shoot up to give you enough motivation to actually beg for money for more so you can do the same again tomorrow. Enchanting. Keep us posted. Watch out for the pimps.

[Vespasian]

17 minutes ago, Chessa said:

"self-medicate" is a term used in mental health work to describe those who are trying to alleviate (to borrow a recent word) their problems without recourse to supervised care by healthcare professionals.

 

Drugs of choice can be prescription drugs, alcohol, herbal remedies, street drugs - the list is creative and not exhaustive.

Self medicate.... give me strength.  engage in substance abuse would be more honest..

 

If you're asking me the root of the problem isn't drugs but mental deficiency of some sorts..  who in their right mind wants to take drugs knowing how dangerous they can be..   especially for the feeble minded of this world..   

 

Thats the thing that ought be taught in schools, if your of sound mind, you may get away with taking drugs and live a normal life eventually.. if your weak and of unstable mind you will end up going down that rabbit hole and you ain't likely to be getting out of it..

 

If children could be made to understand this, the weak minded might be wary of or tempted to go down that rabbit hole..   on the minus side those of sound mind might be tempted to take on the challenge of trying drugs... but at least they'd be better armed against the worse of its consequences..

 

 

[tree-fancier123]

Just now, Gary Prentice said:

After seeing what heroin did to my twin sister, I've no desire to try it even with cancer. That's a pretty daft comment.

er yeah I was just about to try to remedy that after posting, remembering your ongoing battle with multiple myeloma - what I meant was I am genuinely curious as to the experience. I agree its worth staying in good shape to fight cancer, as these days the medicine can work wonders. A customer of mine looked at deaths door with a huge lump on his shoulder from leukemia, but is now completely clear. Of course its worth fighting

[tree-fancier123]

It seems people are of the opinion that you can't just try heroin to see what it's like - a few times getting high and you have to have it all the time. Some people like a nice glass of Chateaux Neuf du crap occaisionally , others need several litres per day

[Ratman]

Self medicate.... give me strength.  engage in substance abuse would be more honest..  

If you're asking me the root of the problem isn't drugs but mental deficiency of some sorts..  who in their right mind wants to take drugs knowing how dangerous they can be..   especially for the feeble minded of this world..   

 

Thats the thing that ought be taught in schools, if your of sound mind, you may get away with taking drugs and live a normal life eventually.. if your weak and of unstable mind you will end up going down that rabbit hole and you ain't likely to be getting out of it..

 

If children could be made to understand this, the weak minded might be wary of or tempted to go down that rabbit hole..   on the minus side those of sound mind might be tempted to take on the challenge of trying drugs... but at least they'd be better armed against the worse of its consequences..

 

 

 

Agree with some of that Vesp, but even when educated your still going to get the “thrill seekers” as someone called em earlier, or the mentally unstable that will try it.

Once taken, then that opens the door to the downward spiral, its the trigger for taking em in the first place thats the cause, ‘the villain’.

The answer? Dont think there is one. Even if there were no drugs to take, people would do something else no doubt, self harm etc but thats another whole debate!!!

 

[tree-fancier123]

10 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

After seeing what heroin did to my twin sister, I've no desire to try it

sorry to hear this - my mums friend lost her son because of it. I can see why people would have no desire to find out - lots of people die mountaineering, but that is at least glamourous

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Horse shit, I’ve seen what heroin can do to middle class kids in comfortable villages in affluent West Sussex.

Not mentally ill, not poor, just thrill seeking youngsters, lives ruined.

And not constrained by any elements of a so-called social construct:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6373485/Daughter-Marquess-Queensberry-18-died-heroin-cocaine-binge-inquest-hears.html