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[Mesterh]

You've lost me there.

I think I will leave you to it.

 

 

[AHPP]

No no. Join in. Learn. Self ownership. If I own myself, I can do what I want with myself, like carry a pistol to a bbq at Bondi beach. But if I can't do that (without running the risk of prison etc), do I own myself? If I don't own me, who does own me? 

 

 

[5thelement]

52 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tesco-car-park-row-led-36276838

https://www.essex.police.uk/news/essex/news/news/2025/july/clacton-serious-assault-in-supermarket/

 

The front line is everywhere.

Okay, that’s not convinced me. A couple of Lithuanians got a bit stabby in an  argument over something or nothing, so that justifies the need that I immediately require a handgun to do my weekly shop, oh do behave. 

[5thelement]

34 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

Forget this "everyone" business. I'll pick a name at random from the Bondi dead. You then have to look their widow in the eye and say you're happy they were prevented from carrying.

 

"Everyone" is not some abstract idea. It's a collection of individuals. When you say no to everyone, you say no to any individual. An individual who you don't own and don't deserve to have power over.

I guarantee none of the unfortunate people involved are now advocating for the arming of everyday Australians.

I haven’t heard or read anything officially from Australian sources that suggest  they are going to advocate a change in the law to allow civilians to arm themselves either. 

You are not the spokesmen for them and your opinion is yours alone. 

[AHPP]

11 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

Okay, that’s not convinced me. A couple of Lithuanians got a bit stabby in an  argument over something or nothing, so that justifies the need that I immediately require a handgun to do my weekly shop, oh do behave. 

 

You don't want to carry. Don't. 

I do want to carry. Who is anyone to say I shouldn't? Should I suspect their motives for saying I shouldn't/can't?

I think some people should carry and some shouldn't but I also have the humility to accept I shouldn't be able to dictate who can/can't (otherwise you end up with things like the disarmed jews from the 1930s that I alluded to a few pages ago).

[AHPP]

14 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

I guarantee none of the unfortunate people involved are now advocating for the arming of everyday Australians.

I haven’t heard or read anything officially from Australian sources that suggest  they are going to advocate a change in the law to allow civilians to arm themselves either. 

You are not the spokesmen for them and your opinion is yours alone. 

 

You've devolved into shitey irrelevancies. No, I'm bloody obviously not a spokesman for the entire jewish people. What does that matter anyway? My opinion is that they should enjoy more freedom than they currently have. If they don't want it, they don't have to exercise it.

 

And fcking obviously the Australian government isn't racing to yield control. Governments like control.

 

I suspect you'd find a lot of those present on the day would agree with me btw. Jews respect resilience.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Masada

 

And same to you as to mesterh. There's no active 'arming of everyday Australians.' You don't go and stand in line for a societygun. I'm advocating for liberty, which is the absence of constraint. Those who want to tool up, should not face constraint. Those who don't want to, don't have to.

[Mark Bolam]

There’s the thing Alex.

Most normal people wouldn’t take advantage of your new law and tool up.

 

But all the wrong ‘uns would.

[AHPP]

51 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

There’s the thing Alex.

Most normal people wouldn’t take advantage of your new law and tool up.

 

But all the wrong ‘uns would.

 

The wrong uns already are. They only need go to the kitchen for a knife. That's already a greater force multiplier than the majority of people carry. Good people are already outgunned. If someone put a kitchen knife against your kidney at a cashpoint, you'd pay him. I would anyway. We're not all as hard as Major Fifth.

And why should anyone else's choice (or apathy) affect my rights? Remember. I'm championing the rights of individuals. I'm an individual. So are you. Are you really happy to be told like a child what you can't do when you damn well know it's wrong?

Edited 7 hours ago by AHPP

[Johnsond]

12 hours ago, Steven P said:

If no one had a gun then there would be no one shot

If a tiny portion of people had a gun then there would be a tiny portion of murderers with guns.

If we all had guns then the fights outside the pub on a Friday night would turn out to be gun fights.

 

Similarly, if all guns had a magazine of say, 25 rounds then the murderers would be able to shoot 25 people before they have to stop, pause, reload and give time for all to escape

If all guns only had 2 rounds loaded, then every 2 shots, 12 1/2 times as many pauses would be needed. Cannot see the problem with this since the hunters are highly skilled, only need 1 shot not 25 to kill their target

 

If all gun owners had 2 guns.. with 2 shots each.. then the most they could shoot is 4 rounds before reloading.

 

The issue in Australia isn't illegal guns, the father was authorised to have a gun, able to fire off hundreds of shots in quick succession. The big issue here is the type of guns he was allowed to own and use.

 

What a crock of juvenile shit. 
The big issue is the police failed to stop yet another Islamist terrorist on their radar. You obviously have very little or zero knowledge or experience of firearms or any form of shooting. 
Im away this weekend to shoot greys with a 308 because 1 rifle is enough apparently eh SP/AT. 
PS you don’t kill a “Target” 😞

[markieg31]

Well I think I can agree that the problem wasn't the gun but the person behind it rattling off the shots. 

 

Why cant we all just live in peace and harmony ☮️

 

I feel comfortable with gun laws in the UK but as mentioned it's the law abiding citizens that follow the rules. The drug dealers and nutters don't follow the rules and have the weapons, that why I have switched from crack to paracetamol as the Mavis at Morrisons is less likely to be tooled up.