Making the news today....

[Treewolf]

1 hour ago, redmoosefaction said:

No tpo, no conservation, leased land to private company, nothing to see hear.. have the number plates been taken off? Perhaps go and ask smart platforms from Hemel who rented their cherry picker on that date🤣.. It's not difficult.

The number plates are visible in other reports. Apparently Toby Carvery which leases the land from the council engaged contractors to fell the tree for "health and safety" reasons. It seems no-one contacted the land-owner nor sought permission, and the Police are investigating possible criminal damage.

 

No TPO apparently because the LA owns the land.

 

I don't think slaughtering a healthy tree of huge ecological importance counts as corporate manslaughter (treeslaughter?) but hopefully a substantial fine may serve as a warning to others.

Edited 22 hours ago by Treewolf

[Stubby]

1 minute ago, sime42 said:

M and B, who own a Toby Carvery nextdoor, thought it was dead. So I've just heard. I reckon they saw a photo of it in the winter.

 

 

So did Toby carve it down ? 🙂

[Mesterh]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Over 700 today and 9000 this year so far at £42000 per head. Smashing the gangs is obviously failing miserably. 
The desperate scramble to source coking coal is another example of the lunacy of this government’s policy 

I was having a Google about coal mines. Less than 200 mill and it will only take two years o bottle a new one. That looks like a no brainer to me, UK jobs and your not transporting it from the other side of the world.

Ok it was just a Google search so it could be bollocks but if it isn't then it's got to be a must.

The more I read about what China has setup for the long haul then the more I think that we really need to sort sht out asap.

 

 

 

[Decro]

Even if we build/open a new coal mine we are still dependent on importing iron ore. One of the main sources of iron ore is Australia where China has enormous investments.

Back to square one?

[Johnsond]

18 minutes ago, Decro said:

Even if we build/open a new coal mine we are still dependent on importing iron ore. One of the main sources of iron ore is Australia where China has enormous investments.

Back to square one?

Surely solving one part of the problem is better than doing nothing. Currently we are on a steady decline to the bottom. The UK is not without iron ore neither. 

Edited 20 hours ago by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

28 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

I was having a Google about coal mines. Less than 200 mill and it will only take two years o bottle a new one. That looks like a no brainer to me, UK jobs and your not transporting it from the other side of the world.

Ok it was just a Google search so it could be bollocks but if it isn't then it's got to be a must.

The more I read about what China has setup for the long haul then the more I think that we really need to sort sht out asap.

 

 

 

100% Agree the current net zero path we are on is a dangerous ideology driven example of sheer lunacy. 
I watched an article on the news last night about the 2035 commercial vehicle electrification target, Nestle I think it was running a trial on Volvo tractor units.

Standard diesel unit £170000 GTW 44T with a range of 800 miles on one tank. 

Electric unit £300000 GTW 28T with a range of 130mile max “ with a large amount of variables thrown in”. 

 

[Decro]

Johnsond, I agree that we are on a steady, if not steep, decline but is investment in UK coal mining the answer?

For iron making you specifically need coking coal which is mainly available from mines in USA, Canada and Australia.

Is there any  guarantee that a UK mine would produce suitable coal for blast furnaces? 

 

[Johnsond]

16 minutes ago, Decro said:

Johnsond, I agree that we are on a steady, if not steep, decline but is investment in UK coal mining the answer?

For iron making you specifically need coking coal which is mainly available from mines in USA, Canada and Australia.

Is there any  guarantee that a UK mine would produce suitable coal for blast furnaces? 

 

Was the recent mine in Cumbria that was denied planning consent due to “green shite” not solely for that purpose??. We are literally sitting on millions of tons of some of the best quality coal in the world, yet we have for years since our own industry was prematurely destroyed imported huge quantities from all over the globe. It’s pure insanity that is leaving us very vulnerable. On this matter I’m not just blaming labour the conservatives have been every bit as bad.  National security should be above all other concerns. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Johnsond

[openspaceman]

2 hours ago, Treewolf said:

(treeslaughter?)

arboricide according to W.S. Churchill

[Doug Tait]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

arboricide according to W.S. Churchill

 

The strength that god has given, to wage war against the monstrous arboricide, never surpassed in the dark and lamentable catalogue, of arboricultural crime. You ask, what is our aim? Tree cover! Tree Cover at all costs, Tree Cover in spite of all terror, Tree Cover! However long and hard the road may be. For without Tree Cover, there is no survival.