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[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

It's too late to be talking about that. It should never have been created in the first place. It's worth pointing that out, whilst at the same time acknowledging that it does, and will continue to exist. 

 

In order to have any chance of peace, Israel needs to respect the right of Palestinians to have their own state, as well as halting all land thefts. Reparations wouldn't go amiss either. 

Not easy to achieve when you are surrounded by regimes  whose stated wish is the eradication of your whole country and its people. Or whose recent past involved the extermination of over 6 million men women and children during WW2. Which was pretty much the catalyst for its existence. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

7 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

Yeah, it's a completely f**ked up situation. 

 

Fundamentally, almost everyone involved is innocent and powerless, and it's the actions of war-minded men that are causing all the suffering. 

 

Whilst Palestinians might still be subject to oppression if Israel wasn't there, I cannot imagine that it would be worse than what they presently experience. 

 

And in 1948, whose bright idea was it to create a Jewish Holy Land in the middle of a bloody Islamic region? Surely it would have been about 99% less hassle to have given them an enclave within the US? You could fit Israel 11 times into Wyoming with space to spare. 

Did not the Jews, Christian and a Palestinians live in the region “ levant “ together previously?

 Fundamentally, almost everyone involved is innocent and powerless, and it's the actions of war-minded men that are causing all the suffering.

 🤷‍♂️is this not humanity as we know it sadly. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Johnsond

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, Big J said:

And in 1948, whose bright idea was it to create a Jewish Holy Land in the middle of a bloody Islamic region? Surely it would have been about 99% less hassle to have given them an enclave within the US? You could fit Israel 11 times into Wyoming with space to spare. 

 

Unfortunate geography as to where Jerusalem is - the whole thing is muddied with religion, politics, war mongers and all, all wanting to have a say

[Steve Bullman]

On 07/10/2023 at 10:19, Big J said:

 

 

 

 

Carries a sword for an hour, thinks she’s braveheart 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steve Bullman said:

Carries a sword for an hour, thinks she’s braveheart 

Talking of Braveheart, I’d rather Penny be having a firm grip of the Hilt than that creature Sturgeon. 

 

[Steve Bullman]

I think anyone would 

[Dan]

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[openspaceman]

7 hours ago, Big J said:

 

 

There is no good outcome that I can see. 

 

Firstly, Israel shouldn't be there. It came about due to the rise of Zionism in the early 20th Century and then Western guilt after WW2. And the post colonial dividing up of the Middle East that paid no heed to cultural borders. 

You are right about no good outcome but it was a mixture of americans not wanting an influx of eastern europeans and needing somewhere else for them and the american anti colonial attitude that forced the exit of european governments too hurriedly that caused much bloodshed in the far and middle east.

[peds]

To be fair, the Jews were there a long time before any Muslims or Christians, so they've got a pretty decent claim on the place. They fought long and hard to exterminate all of the other societies from the area, as anyone who has read their Bible will know.

[dangb93]

Muslims hate Jews because they rejected mohammed, when he took his newly created religion of islam to them and told them he was their messiah. The Jews were looking for their true Messiah (and still are), and would not have mohammed's version. One of Hamas core principles and ideas is the extermination of Jews.