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[daltontrees]

4 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The gaping credibility void in the Scottish independence debate was the inability to make the books balance. 
 

Id like to say this ‘should’ trouble the EU but they have a recorded history of intentionally emasculating basket case national economies in the German quest for European dominance. 
 

That Scotland’s (independent) economy would be a basket case - this should debar Scotland from being even remotely eligible, and that’s putting aside the fact they don’t have, nor was there any plan for a ‘currency’ except that it might be the case that the EU would ignore all of that and still provide some distant aspiration of Scottish EU membership - it would be EU MO after all. 
 

Now it might be that energy independence might an a new dimension to the argument. 
 

Scotland joining EU after independence - I’d put that at 5-10 years after independence and independence from UK is 5-10 years away from now....  

 

Scotland independently within the EU I’d give that 50/50 odds - 10 years away (at best) 15 more likely, possibly 20, just as likey not at all. 

Basket case my ****************ing arse! It would be hard at first, but Scotland would have to become a different entity, not a mini-England. I think it would do quite well as it has several niches it could carve out. The UK is a basket case already, it just borrows and borrows and has built its entire financial markets around the permanence of government borrowing.

Call me biased, but I am sick to my guts of old Etonian arrogant pricks trying to make us feel grateful to get a share of what is already ours. As I always say, I'd rather we made an arse of it ourselves than had an arse made of it for us by unaccountable wankers that we haven't chosen and never can oust even when the whole of Scotland votes against the UK majority. It might even cure scots of their unhealthy reliance on blaming England for all its woes. In fairness, England's only to blame for some of them. Some of them are universal woes, and we are resilient enough to manage them as competently as Bojo and his bumbling cohorts. With or withour EU. With or without russian gas. With or prefereably without nukes. Now there's a book-balancer in one stroke of the pen.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 minutes ago, daltontrees said:

Basket case my ****************ing arse! It would be hard at first, but Scotland would have to become a different entity, not a mini-England. I think it would do quite well as it has several niches it could carve out. The UK is a basket case already, it just borrows and borrows and has built its entire financial markets around the permanence of government borrowing.

Call me biased, but I am sick to my guts of old Etonian arrogant pricks trying to make us feel grateful to get a share of what is already ours. As I always say, I'd rather we made an arse of it ourselves than had an arse made of it for us by unaccountable wankers that we haven't chosen and never can oust even when the whole of Scotland votes against the UK majority. It might even cure scots of their unhealthy reliance on blaming England for all its woes. In fairness, England's only to blame for some of them. Some of them are universal woes, and we are resilient enough to manage them as competently as Bojo and his bumbling cohorts. With or withour EU. With or without russian gas. With or prefereably without nukes. Now there's a book-balancer in one stroke of the pen.

One sure fire way to guarantee an overwhelming majority at the next (once in a generation) referendum for Scottish independence would be to open the vote to all residents of the UK.  I’d vote for it in a flash. 
 

I suspect the phrase “...careful what you wish for...” runs deep (and silent) throughout the corridors of SNP power. 
 

 

[daltontrees]

17 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

One sure fire way to guarantee an overwhelming majority at the next (once in a generation) referendum for Scottish independence would be to open the vote to all residents of the UK.  I’d vote for it in a flash. 
 

I suspect the phrase “...careful what you wish for...” runs deep (and silent) throughout the corridors of SNP power. 
 

 

Bring it on. I've been advocating it for years. Engand threw us out of the EU against our will, we always get what England wants anyway. Hay, votew for us to leave England and I'll vote for Cornwall to leave England too. Then we can all renegotiate trading terms with each other. We'll sell water and electricity. You can send some granite and scrumpy. It'll be fun and it'll be fair.

[trigger_andy]

13 minutes ago, daltontrees said:

Bring it on. I've been advocating it for years. Engand threw us out of the EU against our will, we always get what England wants anyway. Hay, votew for us to leave England and I'll vote for Cornwall to leave England too. Then we can all renegotiate trading terms with each other. We'll sell water and electricity. You can send some granite and scrumpy. It'll be fun and it'll be fair.

We as a nation voted in a democratic referendum to remain in the Union in full light of the fact if we stayed our voice/vote would have no sway in future elections or indeed Brexit. The SNPs version of project fear made this abundantly clear and used it as a way to scare us into voting to leave the Union. 
 

Sturgeon has repeatedly stated she is only doing what the people of Scotland want. But the reality is she’s desperate to get through her own agenda. If she truly respected what the people of Scotland wanted then she’d accept the referendum result. 
 

But to go one further it’s been claimed that more people living in Scotland voted for Brexit than have ever voted for the SNP. The SNP being a party that needed the Greens to prop them up. Hardly a mandate for Indi2 and a clear indication at the lack of enthusiasm for Another referendum.

 

 

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Now I’m all for a genuinely independent Scotland but not with that mad cow at the helm of a bunch of Commie Pinko nobodies who have demonstrated repeatedly that there is no bottom to their ineptitude. 

 

Edited March 7, 2022 by trigger_andy

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

17 minutes ago, daltontrees said:

Bring it on. I've been advocating it for years. Engand threw us out of the EU against our will, we always get what England wants anyway. Hay, votew for us to leave England and I'll vote for Cornwall to leave England too. Then we can all renegotiate trading terms with each other. We'll sell water and electricity. You can send some granite and scrumpy. It'll be fun and it'll be fair.

I’m only teasing when I make mention of the Cornish Liberation Army. Yes, they do exist in the form of Mebyn Kernow, but it really is a joke. Well, in part it is a joke until you start to analyse the overt nationalist / racist tendencies which fly in the face of all that is represented by modern equality and diversity laws. 
 

I would vote for Scottish independence - I wouldn’t vote for Cornish independence. 
 

Would you believe - granite gate posts are cheaper to import from China than to buy locally....

Edited March 7, 2022 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[Macpherson]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

One mans shit is another’s gospel. 

I've never been interested in politics and I'm thankful that I managed to get through my whole self employed and really quite difficult working life without being dependant on the government for anything, the only thing you can depend on politicians to do is to screw up you and everything else and then move on vacating the position for the next unworthy that comes along, imo.

 

Not long after setting myself up with a workshop in '82 we got hit with Thatcher and with quite a large bank debt I like many others ended up with an interest rate of 18 % and for years every penny put in the bank vanished and survival became the name of the game... particularly in places like Glasgow and other industrial cities where tens of thousands had their livelihoods shut down and were cast onto the dole.

Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue in today's debt ridden society if they were to be hit with that kind of interest rate.

 

So while previously just being hard working, keeping my head down and trying not to fall foul of the system has been enough to keep food on the table and allow me to mind my own business, this era seems to be coming to an end and now that tech has reached a significantly advanced state that them that like to tell us what to do feel empowered enough to want to mind my business for me.

 

I know these days it's become unpopular to believe the evidence of your own eyes and also comment on what you see, but having spent my whole life largely ignoring politicians I'm now sitting up and taking notice as I see what these people are trying to do all round the world and as far as I'm concerned they do not deserve the technology that's now at their fingertips, politics attracts devious people who should not have limitless power over others lives, it's like giving AK47's to monkeys.

 

To me I see the kind of stuff being argued about on here and everywhere else as being exactly what they want and just a distraction while behind the scenes they beaver away at the next way to feck us all.

And that may well be to control us all digitally, you've only got to look at what's happening elsewhere with governments around the world being infiltrated by the WEF and following their stated agenda.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

55 minutes ago, daltontrees said:

Basket case my ****************ing arse! It would be hard at first, but Scotland would have to become a different entity, not a mini-England. I think it would do quite well as it has several niches it could carve out. The UK is a basket case already, it just borrows and borrows and has built its entire financial markets around the permanence of government borrowing.

Call me biased, but I am sick to my guts of old Etonian arrogant pricks trying to make us feel grateful to get a share of what is already ours. As I always say, I'd rather we made an arse of it ourselves than had an arse made of it for us by unaccountable wankers that we haven't chosen and never can oust even when the whole of Scotland votes against the UK majority. It might even cure scots of their unhealthy reliance on blaming England for all its woes. In fairness, England's only to blame for some of them. Some of them are universal woes, and we are resilient enough to manage them as competently as Bojo and his bumbling cohorts. With or withour EU. With or without russian gas. With or prefereably without nukes. Now there's a book-balancer in one stroke of the pen.

What would be your odds and timeframe predictions then Jules?

 

Its all very well saying you’d advocate for it - when do you see it coming down to dates?

 

 

[daltontrees]

13 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

We as a nation voted in a democratic referendum to remain in the Union in full light of the fact if we stayed our voice/vote would have no sway in future elections or indeed Brexit. The SNPs version of project fear made this abundantly clear and used it as a way to scare us into voting to leave the Union. 
 

Sturgeon has repeatedly stated she is only doing what the people of Scotland want. But the reality is she’s desperate to get through her own agenda. If she truly respected what the people of Scotland wanted then she’d accept the referendum result. 
 

But to go one further it’s been claimed that more people living in Scotland voted for Brexit than have ever voted for the SNP. The SNP being a party that needed the Greens to prop them up. Hardly a mandate for Indi2 and a clear indication at the lack of enthusiasm for Another referendum.

 

 

Nicola Sturgeon news: More Scots voted for Brexit than have EVER voted SNP says Tory MP | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

WWW.EXPRESS.CO.UK

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NICOLA STURGEON and her SNP were humiliated in the House of Commons on Wednesday after a Tory MP claimed...

Now I’m all for a genuinely independent Scotland but not with that mad cow at the helm of a bunch of Commie Pinko nobodies who have demonstrated repeatedly that there is no bottom to their ineptitude. 

 

Have you not figured it out? Get independence then get shot of the SNP. The very next day. People who don't vote for independence because they don't like the SNP or Sturgeon are short-sighted beyond belief.

[daltontrees]

12 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I’m only teasing when I make mention of the Cornish Liberation Army. Yes, they do exist in the form of Mebyn Kernow, but it really is a joke. Well, in part it is a joke until you start to analyse the overt nationalist / racist tendencies which fly in the face of all that is represented by modern equality and diversity laws. 
 

I would vote for Scottish independence - I wouldn’t vote for Cornish independence. 
 

Would you believe - granite gate posts are cheaper to import from China than to buy locally....

Come now, play fair. If you get to vote Scotland out we get to vote you out. Then we cna all decide tyo get back in minus the repulsive middle England and London monopoly of democracy.

 

Would you vote for Scotland to be set free (or is it adrift) because you feel our pain or because we are such a financial basket case tha twe are dragging you down?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, daltontrees said:

Have you not figured it out? Get independence then get shot of the SNP. The very next day. People who don't vote for independence because they don't like the SNP or Sturgeon are short-sighted beyond belief.

That old chestnut, eh? It’s been done to death so I’ll not waste much time in it. But for me it’s much akin to voting for Putin or Kim Jung-Un to deliver a result we wanted to only find out after that there is simply not another party to vote for. It would be generations before another party could rival the SNP and by then I believe Scotland would be ran into the ground with their ineptitude and anyone with a half decent salary would be taxed into either leaving that job or leaving the country. The SNP can’t run the country now whilst being propped up by Westminster I shudder to think of their abject failure yet still finding a way to blame the English. 
 

No thank you. I’d only vote for independence if the SNP disbanded in its entirety afterwards and handed stewardship over to an unaffiliated group/party. The roadmap the SNP have planned holds no water and is a Pipe Dream for Braveheart Chest Beaters like yourself.