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[Baldbloke]

Humane as in a clean shot and not an intentionally prolonged death, for example traps, poison or getting ripped to shreds by a pack of hounds.   

I hope this resolves your confusion. [emoji4] 

 

 

 

I’ve never hunted foxes by being on a hay burner but have participated on dozens of days where a huntsman on foot tries to follow his pack of hounds pursuing foxes, while we try to figure out which cover the fox was heading for, so we can quietly line up and shoot him in passing. My speciality was at the end of a line with a rifle rather than with a shotgun within the line.

What people don’t realise is that hounds mainly work through their noses rather than through sight. You often couldn’t risk a shot at a fox because in cover (not open ground) it was literally tiptoeing between the dogs. The dogs could be within a metre of the fox, be beside itself with the scent , and absolutely clueless how close it was. The fox meanwhile was totally aware of its surroundings, of every dog around it, and anyone with a gun that wasn’t well concealed.

While my vote for efficiency goes to merely using dogs for driving foxes to guns, Commando is spot on in that the traditional hunt is the way to clean up all the old and infirm foxes in the area.

While a traditional hunt might occasionally have killed the occasional infirm or unlucky fox, we’d be surprised at not getting half a dozen in a day. I can remember once after covering a lot of ground getting 15.

Maybe townie foxes generally look so shit because they’re relying on those middle class anti blood sport vegan bin offerings[emoji848]

 

[MattyF]

I don't think you two have a clue , I said before this is an argument about class war which you have both proven in your above statements to prove being the smug self satisfying idiots who think you hold some moral high ground on some thing you have no understanding of , any way my partner hunts , she's from a sink hole estate in Newcastle , she hunts because she is an amazing horse woman and horses are her passion and life who other wise would not get to ride on the courses or land that you pay £40 quid a day for on a hunt meet , I know in the 6 years she has been drag hunting which is usually every Saturday she's not seen a fox killed, I'm not saying it does not happen but they don't go digging any fox that has gone to ground out so if the hounds do pick up a fox and change trails they are never likely if at all to catch it unless it's well not fit enough... it's entirely about horsemanship and riding skills to cover cross country that people go for.. obviously trigger **************** wit and mr smug babe mbe can't get there heads around this..

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

28 minutes ago, MattyF said:

I don't think you two have a clue , I said before this is an argument about class war which you have both proven in your above statements to prove being the smug self satisfying idiots who think you hold some moral high ground on some thing you have no understanding of , any way my partner hunts , she's from a sink hole estate in Newcastle , she hunts because she is an amazing horse woman and horses are her passion and life who other wise would not get to ride on the courses or land that you pay £40 quid a day for on a hunt meet , I know in the 6 years she has been drag hunting which is usually every Saturday she's not seen a fox killed, I'm not saying it does not happen but they don't go digging any fox that has gone to ground out so if the hounds do pick up a fox and change trails they are never likely if at all to catch it unless it's well not fit enough... it's entirely about horsemanship and riding skills to cover cross country that people go for.. obviously trigger **************** wit and mr smug babe mbe can't get there heads around this..

Do one you retard

 

Ill retract that - I may think it but I probably shouldn’t say it. 
 

Do try and put a coherent justification for your lasses activities though - if you can. 
 

Edited November 27, 2021 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[MattyF]

Do one you retard
 
Ill retract that - I may think it but I probably shouldn’t say it. 
 
Do try and put a coherent justification for your lasses activities though - if you can. 
 

**************** yourself your smug prick... you probably are right now any way.

[trigger_andy]

48 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Do one you retard

 

Ill retract that - I may think it but I probably shouldn’t say it. 
 

Do try and put a coherent justification for your lasses activities though - if you can. 
 

There is simply no justification. There’s loads of Horsey types round us. How they get by without poncing around “pretending” to hunt Foxes I’ll never know. 
 

Loads of game estates around us too. I have no issues with that. A close friend has a Deer and Salmon Estate with the usual game bird shoots. Fine with that too since they’re not getting a semi off of watching dogs slowly rip apart animals. 

[Mick Dempsey]

How is it subjugating as many people as humanly possible?

[Commando]

 
I'm in agreement with you.
 
It was a major culture shock when I first moved down here seeing mounted hunts promenading down the lanes like they owned the place. It's hard to describe how much I detest all aspects of hunting with hounds whilst mounted on horses. It's got nothing to do with effective control of a species deemed to be a pest and everything to do with an anachronistic exercise in reasserting and reinforcing class distinctions whilst subjugating as many people as is humanly possible. Absolutely disgusting and no place for it in the 21st century.

“Reinforcing class distinctions whilst subjugating as many people as possible”…..in Devon?? Are you have a laugh J, they are all farmers hunts that attract the full spectrum of rural society/community!
You don’t half spout some drivel at times.
Anyway are you still here Mr Westcountry Hater?[emoji23]

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Big J said:

 

Of course there is a full spectrum of people involved. All in their class defined, predetermined roles. How many of the riders are working class?

 

Yes, stuck here for the time being. Very much looking forward to the moment that I'm not.

They do throw the plebs a bone just to give the look of inclusion and now a classless sport that’s no longer a blood one. Then bugger off on the real hunts with the rest of the landed gentry. 
 

It’s a bit like Pheasant shooting round our way.  The Beaters on minimum wage get a Beaters Shoot at the end of the Season. They doff their caps to their betters and say thank you very much for the scraps they leave. 
 

I don’t think people realise that if you’re Sink Estate Scum that’s all you’ll ever be. If you’re paying £40 to play at Fox Hunting all you’re doing is aiding the real Hunters in whitewashing the sport whilst they laugh at you. 

[Mick Dempsey]

5 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

They do throw the plebs a bone just to give the look of inclusion and now a classless sport that’s no longer a blood one. Then bugger off on the real hunts with the rest of the landed gentry. 
 

It’s a bit like Pheasant shooting round our way.  The Beaters on minimum wage get a Beaters Shoot at the end of the Season. They doff their caps to their betters and say thank you very much for the scraps they leave. 
 

I don’t think people realise that if you’re Sink Estate Scum that’s all you’ll ever be. If you’re paying £40 to play at Fox Hunting all you’re doing is aiding the real Hunters in whitewashing the sport whilst they laugh at you. 

You don’t know what you’re talking about, beaters do it for the day out, the chance to give their dogs a run, the lunch and the fresh air. No one (apart from me at 13 years old) did it for the money, the beaters and the guns sat together at lunch, no one was treated as a pleb in the two shoots where I was a beater.

 

I’m not a fan of pheasant shooting in hindsight, for various reasons, but treating it as a class thing is a mistake.

Edited November 27, 2021 by Mick Dempsey

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, MattyF said:

**************** yourself your smug prick... you probably are right now any way.

Great job!

 

Your key points so far:

 

1) I’m a smug prick

2) Your lass is ex-council estate

3) You use baler twine to hold your pants up and townies are all twats. 
 

Oxford Union debating society?