Making the news today....

[trigger_andy]

Just now, eggsarascal said:

Now tell us how you are going to prove that, it's your words, back them up with some evidence, not your opinion.

I never stated it was a fact. Its merely my opinion.  As you say its impossible to prove either way. But if there was a bet to be made then Id be so confident in my views Id bet the house on it. 

 

There's a huge different between stating something is fact and they shying away from that when you get your arse handed to you.   

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

24 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Now now Kevin, don’t be be a socialist! Their earnings reflects their market value.

 

You'll be calling for universal income next.

I feel there’s a certain inevitability to UI Mick. 
 

Robotics, automation, e-commerce, all unstoppable forces reducing the number of gainfully employed available for taxation to fund the irresponsible lifestyles of the feckless. 
 

Add to that the inevitable job losses post C19 (I think time will show the furlough scheme as being a rather pointless and expensive finger in the dyke (I s’pose I’m not meant to use such a phrase - even though there’s no suggestion of the gender of the finger??))

 

This was an ideal (missed) opportunity to take a real good look at UI. 
 

Instead, ‘the system’ decided to ‘give’ money to folk so that they could later claw it back in tax. I mean, why not just give out 60% and say, that’s it, you’re done rather than give out 80% and (for the majority) then take back 20% in tax. I can’t figure it - other than 80 sounds better than 60 in a grand giveaway.  

[Mick Dempsey]

Blimey KJ, that’s depressed me!

 

We will all end up like the Eloi.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

12 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Now tell us how you are going to prove that, it's your words, back them up with some evidence, not your opinion.

It’s obvious Egger! 
 

it’s a June Saturday afternoon / early evening, no self respecting Tory would be in town - they’d be at the country pile enjoying a Pimms and a knock around the croquet lawn.   

[eggsarascal]

1 minute ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It’s obvious Egger! 
 

it’s a June Saturday afternoon / early evening, no self respecting Tory would be in town - they’d be at the country pile enjoying a Pimms and a knock around the croquet lawn.   

More fool me Kev!

 

I feel so stupid for not realising.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

4 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Blimey KJ, that’s depressed me!

 

We will all end up like the Eloi.

 

5 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Blimey KJ, that’s depressed me!

 

We will all end up like the Eloi.

Not “all” Mick! There’ll always need to be a Morlock class ?

 

I really like the idea of UI. 
 

Everyone gets the same basic package. If you want to get on, you find your ways to do so. 
 

If you don’t want to get on, quit your whining you got your subsidy. 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

2 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

More fool me Kev!

 

I feel so stupid for not realising.

Fair play Egger, last month it would have been a dead cert. 

 

Weather has put a bit of a damper on things today though - wouldn’t want to get the brogues muddy. 

[trigger_andy]

Just now, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

really like the idea of UI. 
 

Everyone gets the same basic package. If you want to get on, you find your ways to do so. 
 

If you don’t want to get on, quit your whining you got your subsidy. 

 

In this scenario would everyone get UI regardless if they worked or not? Or would the UI stop or decrease with the more you earned actually working for a living? 

[eggsarascal]

5 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Fair play Egger, last month it would have been a dead cert. 

 

Weather has put a bit of a damper on things today though - wouldn’t want to get the brogues muddy. 

See, you can tell it was Tories out there rioting, brogues, I ask ya! We,d just manage a pair of Plimsoles.

 

You are giving the game away without knowing it...

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

 

In this scenario would everyone get UI regardless if they worked or not? Or would the UI stop or decrease with the more you earned actually working for a living? 

Everyone of an adult qualifying age gets the same universal basic income. From that you pay all your liabilities. No council tax rebate, no family support, no free rent, no married tax allowance, no income tax. 
 

Just a simple, single figure the same for all. I mean, just imagine the dismantling of HMRC and DSS! The savings would go a long way. 
 

You want 10 kids, no problem. If you find a house, and pay for it out of yr UBI (and what ever you do to top it up) good on ya. 

Of course there’d have to be a redistribution of wealth to achieve it but even I can accept that the extremes of wealth inequality are unsustainable. 
 

Apologies to Mick, this should really be in a thread called making the news TOMORROW. 

 

Who’d have thought that Turkish incident would have started a thread that’d still be rolling strong? It nearly died but rose again! Bloody BREXIT!