Small Mistakes Add Up To Catastrophy

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I remember a thread a while back about "that odd feeling" and, if I remember correctly, it all got a bit touchy about nature v nurture and spirituality etc. Folks were debating wether "that odd feeling" equated to being a girl or if it was genuinely unwise to ignore the base instincts. It may have been a "I wasn't happy but the boss said get on with it" sort of thread.

[Haironyourchest]

That odd feeling when your nuts retract, sphincter puckers, stomach does summersaults etc? When faced with clear and present danger, imminent threat to life and limb? "Pick up yr hod an git up the scaffolding ya big girl ya!!!"

 

I dunno, I always go with my gut these days. The true test of manhood in my view is whether you got the nuts to say "No boss, sorry, I just don't feel comfortable doing that" - and stand by your words. There a lot of brave men out there who are not brave enough to be scared.

Edited February 13, 2016 by Haironyourchest

[Starscream]

  kevinjohnsonmbe said:

"The groundsman were gardeners?"

 

Apart from the grammar, the statement speaks volumes about your appraisal and appreciation of "risk"

 

Is that what you meant to say or have I read / interpreted wrong??

 

The grammar?! Bloody cheek!!

GroundsmEn were gardeners, yes; I subbed out to a gardening company.

 

"Apart from the grammar, the statement speaks volumes about your appraisal and appreciation of "risk"" - I like to think so, but then again, I didn't have a rescue climber and regularly climb without one. I know a lot of others that don't climb with someone that holds CS38. Someone said it earlier "money makes us do silly things". On the flip side though, I've got two kids and a mortgage. If I only dealt in jobs that came with a rescuer I'd be on the streets pretty quick.

[skyhuck]

  Starscream said:

The grammar?! Bloody cheek!!

GroundsmEn were gardeners, yes; I subbed out to a gardening company.

 

"Apart from the grammar, the statement speaks volumes about your appraisal and appreciation of "risk"" - I like to think so, but then again, I didn't have a rescue climber and regularly climb without one. I know a lot of others that don't climb with someone that holds CS38. Someone said it earlier "money makes us do silly things". On the flip side though, I've got two kids and a mortgage. If I only dealt in jobs that came with a rescuer I'd be on the streets pretty quick.

 

In reality how many "rescue climbers" could actually do the task if needed?

 

Plan for your own rescue is my advice, sure a second climber is good as well, but getting yourself down will always be faster if you can.

[Billhook]

  kevinjohnsonmbe said:

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

 

Think, think, think.....

 

And don't expect someone else to have done it for you!

 

 

I am trying to think think think what all those little boxes are meant to mean that you have posted and also Mediplogs uses.

 

Thinking outside the box, box clever, tick box, living in a box?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

  Starscream said:

The grammar?! Bloody cheek!!

GroundsmEn were gardeners, yes; I subbed out to a gardening company.

 

"Apart from the grammar, the statement speaks volumes about your appraisal and appreciation of "risk"" - I like to think so, but then again, I didn't have a rescue climber and regularly climb without one. I know a lot of others that don't climb with someone that holds CS38. Someone said it earlier "money makes us do silly things". On the flip side though, I've got two kids and a mortgage. If I only dealt in jobs that came with a rescuer I'd be on the streets pretty quick.

 

 

It was tongue in cheek fella, bit of a leg pull! Only mentioned since it seemed a bit ironic to make a clear statement of not following "standard / recognised" staffing levels / experience / qual's in a thread with such a strong safety theme.

 

I totally understand about the job sometimes not having the £'s in it to warrant a second climber (under pricing - well that's been done to death elsewhere!), and it's the dynamic risk assessment that each individual does as to wether it's potentially complex enough to demand one. Of course it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny if it all went wrong but that's life when there are bills to pay!

 

As Huck says, and I've often thought (dependant upon the circumstances) on many occasions the best rescue scenario will be getting yourself down by the fastest means. The requirement to have a rescue climber is a ridiculous administrative burden that adds little to the risk reduction process. Apart from unconsciousness, in just about all other scenarios the climber would be better off getting them self down rather than waiting for someone to come up after them.

[Mick Dempsey]

  Billhook said:

I am trying to think think think what all those little boxes are meant to mean that you have posted and also Mediplogs uses.

 

Thinking outside the box, box clever, tick box, living in a box?

 

They are emojis, Kevin's are thumb up ones. Maybe your device doesn't recognise them or something and just puts little boxes.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

  Billhook said:

I am trying to think think think what all those little boxes are meant to mean that you have posted and also Mediplogs uses.

 

Thinking outside the box, box clever, tick box, living in a box?

 

They don't mean anything! I think, think, think, they are just format characters that appear when using smilies on an IPhone?

 

That's that one boxed off!

[MattyF]

A few mistakes in my opinion are fine ...some things are best learnt from experience through making mistakes especially with things like say felling , I guess though having planned escape routes and the correct tools it severely lessons the pyramid of disaster, but you don't become good at some thing with out making mistakes and gaining experience ? Again it's all well and good saying don't work if your fatigued but until you have experienced a mistake that happened first hand whilst feeling it you don't really grasp the significance of its meaning and next time say enough is enough time to pack up and go home.

[difflock]

My personal experience is that fatigue IS the main killer, I know that I cannot think properly when tired, let alone stupid tired, and have had a few relatively narrow escapes when younger and "pushing the envelope".

Ditto applies to driving.

From experiences when I was perhaps simply less "risk-averse" but fortunately always lucky.

Or is it luck?