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[richy_B]

3 minutes ago, Lowestoft Firewood said:

Saw a similar size vehicle with a mega long 5th wheel trailer the other day with steel beams on, on the A14 - was from a reputable looking company so assume its legal!

I'm sure I've seen one with a boat on it as well. Was a while back though. 

[openspaceman]

10 hours ago, richy_B said:

Do you have a link back?  I have searched but cant seem to find it.  

 

10 hours ago, richy_B said:

 

I have seen fifth wheel set ups on pickups (for motorhomes) but these are usually 4t ish trailers with 500-1000kg of the weight on the nose (taking the pickups payload).  I wonder if you can run a 7.5t, using its 3t payload and its 4.5t towing capacity? Basically being able to tow a 5t excavator to site with that combo.

On a B+E licence taken before 2013 the maximum would be 7 tonnes as after that trailers were restricted to 3.5 tonnes, although it is a bit debatable  whether the trailer nose weight would be counted.

 

On a pre 1997 licence with the 107 note the gross would be 8.25 tonnes.

 

 

So it comes down to how much the empty trailer and tug weigh. Operators licence would be needed if the trailer weighs over 1025 kg  and tacho exemption does not apply over 7.5 tonnes.

 

[richy_B]

1 hour ago, openspaceman said:

 

On a B+E licence taken before 2013 the maximum would be 7 tonnes as after that trailers were restricted to 3.5 tonnes, although it is a bit debatable  whether the trailer nose weight would be counted.

 

On a pre 1997 licence with the 107 note the gross would be 8.25 tonnes.

 

 

So it comes down to how much the empty trailer and tug weigh. Operators licence would be needed if the trailer weighs over 1025 kg  and tacho exemption does not apply over 7.5 tonnes.

 

Yes. I'm C1+E, operators license and tacho. 

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, richy_B said:

Yes. I'm C1+E, operators license and tacho. 

In that case I think you should be good for 12 tonnes gross if you do not have the 107 note on your licence. Most of us with C1+E from passing a test befor 1997 have the 107 note which restricts to 8.25 tonnes

[richy_B]

28 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

In that case I think you should be good for 12 tonnes gross if you do not have the 107 note on your licence. Most of us with C1+E from passing a test befor 1997 have the 107 note which restricts to 8.25 tonnes

Yep. Didnt pass til 2000. 

[donnk]

21 hours ago, openspaceman said:

 

On a B+E licence taken before 2013 the maximum would be 7 tonnes as after that trailers were restricted to 3.5 tonnes, although it is a bit debatable  whether the trailer nose weight would be counted.

 

On a pre 1997 licence with the 107 note the gross would be 8.25 tonnes.

 

 

So it comes down to how much the empty trailer and tug weigh. Operators licence would be needed if the trailer weighs over 1025 kg  and tacho exemption does not apply over 7.5 tonnes.

 

wrong

 

there is no limit on trailer weight limit on an old BE licence, the plated train weight of the tug is what defines it.

[Mark Bolam]

19 hours ago, openspaceman said:

In that case I think you should be good for 12 tonnes gross if you do not have the 107 note on your licence. Most of us with C1+E from passing a test befor 1997 have the 107 note which restricts to 8.25 tonnes

I am certain I had 12t on my old paper licence and when I updated it they added the 107 without any consultation.

It doesn’t actually affect me, but it’s still a bastards trick.

What if I’d being working for a firm running 7.5 tonners and big chippers?

[eggsarascal]

10 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I am certain I had 12t on my old paper licence and when I updated it they added the 107 without any consultation.

It doesn’t actually affect me, but it’s still a bastards trick.

What if I’d being working for a firm running 7.5 tonners and big chippers?

Same, they chucked the 107 on my licence when I updated, slippery feckers.

 

I wonder if I sent them a copy of my old license if they would change it back?

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, donnk said:

wrong

 

there is no limit on trailer weight limit on an old BE licence, the plated train weight of the tug is what defines it.

I didn't imply there was, as I said the gross weight, and as we were discussing mini artics this would be the gross combined weight, would be 7 tonnes on a B+E taken before 2013 IIRC, as after that the trailer is restricted to 3.5 tonnes.

 

As we have discussed before  it is feasible to have a trailer larger than 3.5 tonnes as long as the brakes are applied with the vehicles service brake, on the earlier licence, as long as the towing vehicle is less than 3.5 tonnes MAM. Finding such a vehicle seems to be the problem.

 

@Justme found a relevant advisory that stated the weight superimposed on the artic tractor did not contribute to the gross weight of the trailer for driving licence purposes but I'm not sure this is the same for the 1024 kg limit for operator's licence. Again once you exceed the 7.5 tonnes GCW you must always use the tachograph.

[openspaceman]

58 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I wonder if I sent them a copy of my old license if they would change it back?

Dunno but it seems advisable not to send an old licence back or at least photograph it as there have been many instances of entitlements being removed, probably by mistake.

 

IIRC the online checker restricts me to towing trailers of less than 3.5 tonnes but my B+E should not have such a restriction.

 

I'll need to renew my licence in a year because of my age and it will be interesting to see what comes back.