Wind farms!

[john p]

most of the green schemes seem to benefit the rich and screw the working people.

 

 

It's every scheme that does that!

[10 Bears]

I will start this by saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my comments here are no exception. Overall though, I'm surprised by all the negative comments towards wind farms. There is an absolute case for alternative energy sources (ie not fossil fuel based or nuclear) and there is a significant amount of research under way that is aiming to maximise the use of clean energy.

 

I'm also surprised that for people who work in an industry that aims to reduce risk and manage the environment in whatever context, urban or rural, that green schemes which purport to reduce societies impact on the environment are not more supported.

 

I for one support the creation and use of wind farms and alternative energy sources in general. Surely comments that suggest green schemes only exist to make the rich, richer or screw the working man are completely missing the point. The working man doesn't own the land that the wind farms are on for example, so what difference does it make if the landowner then goes on to make money by renting out sections of their land for wind farms? The issue is that a clean energy is produced which is good for everyone, not that someone has an opportunity for a bit of profit.

 

Is it the case that negative comments about this could be fuelled by economic jealousy and nimbyism?

 

As I said - just my thoughts on this...

[mendiplogs]

Them old Mendip boys don't think much of them.

 

VIDEO: The Wurzels record anti-wind farm song as turbine threatens their HQ | Western Morning News

 

HI EGGS we had the WURZELS playing at our meal last night as one our team chaps is trying to get one put up :lol::lol::lol::lol:thanks why the record is because one of there management team they go to put one near his house :lol:thanks jon

[eggsarascal]

I will start this by saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my comments here are no exception. Overall though, I'm surprised by all the negative comments towards wind farms. There is an absolute case for alternative energy sources (ie not fossil fuel based or nuclear) and there is a significant amount of research under way that is aiming to maximise the use of clean energy.

 

I'm also surprised that for people who work in an industry that aims to reduce risk and manage the environment in whatever context, urban or rural, that green schemes which purport to reduce societies impact on the environment are not more supported.

 

I for one support the creation and use of wind farms and alternative energy sources in general. Surely comments that suggest green schemes only exist to make the rich, richer or screw the working man are completely missing the point. The working man doesn't own the land that the wind farms are on for example, so what difference does it make if the landowner then goes on to make money by renting out sections of their land for wind farms? The issue is that a clean energy is produced which is good for everyone, not that someone has an opportunity for a bit of profit.

 

Is it the case that negative comments about this could be fuelled by economic jealousy and nimbyism?

 

As I said - just my thoughts on this...

 

Are you or your family land owners by any chance?

 

In my case it is definitely a case of nimbyism. I don't want wind turbines littering the beautiful countryside that I live in.

 

As the Wurzles song goes......if they have to be, put them out at sea.

[mendiplogs]

Are you or your family land owners by any chance?

 

In my case it is definitely a case of nimbyism. I don't want wind turbines littering the beautiful countryside that I live in.

 

As the Wurzles song goes......if they have to be, put them out at sea.

 

HI EGGS im told they were going put one out the back of us BUT I WILL TELL CHAP WERE TO PUT IT MATE THANKS JON

[10 Bears]

Are you or your family land owners by any chance?

 

In my case it is definitely a case of nimbyism. I don't want wind turbines littering the beautiful countryside that I live in.

 

As the Wurzles song goes......if they have to be, put them out at sea.

 

Landowners - no, not by a long shot. I was brought up in a working class family from one of the less affluent areas of the city, so none of us own land other than the houses we respectively live in now. My comments about landowners making a profit are purely based on realism and pragmatism ie someone owns the land, and just because it happens to be countryside - why shouldn't the landowner make money from it?

 

You admit that for you its nimbyism which is to be honest understandable, if you don't like the look of the turbines. I can see turbines from my house - and they don't bother me at all, so I presume its just a matter of perspective. I believe that there are other issues to consider though. Take my location for instance. I live pretty much equidistant between 2 nuclear power stations (Heysham and Sellafied) and I can assure you, I would much rather look to the hills and see turbines, then see another power station in my "beautiful countryside" like either one of them. And dont forget the waste from these places, there are still plans to use the Cumbrian fells as a nuclear waste repositiry, and I can assure you that if there is a leak from that, then the beautiful countryside would be far more harmed when compared to putting up a few turbines.

 

I was at an energy conference recently, and one of the newer energy schemes being 'floated' (laugh at my own joke here) was tidal turbines. These are similar to wind turbines but obviously are set up with the blades beneath the sea. Although this sounds like a good idea, the problem is there is not enough known about what will happen to the marine life (minced dolphin anyone) and as the concept is in its infancy, the technology is still being developed and the costs associated are astronomical.

 

So, wind, solar, tidal or whatever - these are the future in one way or another. We all just need to change the collective negative outlook regarding alternative energies (yes I know that's a generalisation), and embrace the idea, or to be fair our children and grandchildren will inherit a place that is in more of a mess then it was when we got hold of it.

[DanClimbsTrees]

I am surprised at the overly negative response on here.

 

Alternative energy is the future. Whether it be tidal, wind or solar, we definitely need to catch up.

 

I happen to think that wind turbines don't sully the countryside views but each to their own.

 

Cheers, Dan

[Woodworks]

I will start this by saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my comments here are no exception. Overall though, I'm surprised by all the negative comments towards wind farms. There is an absolute case for alternative energy sources (ie not fossil fuel based or nuclear) and there is a significant amount of research under way that is aiming to maximise the use of clean energy.

 

I'm also surprised that for people who work in an industry that aims to reduce risk and manage the environment in whatever context, urban or rural, that green schemes which purport to reduce societies impact on the environment are not more supported.

 

I for one support the creation and use of wind farms and alternative energy sources in general. Surely comments that suggest green schemes only exist to make the rich, richer or screw the working man are completely missing the point. The working man doesn't own the land that the wind farms are on for example, so what difference does it make if the landowner then goes on to make money by renting out sections of their land for wind farms? The issue is that a clean energy is produced which is good for everyone, not that someone has an opportunity for a bit of profit.

 

Is it the case that negative comments about this could be fuelled by economic jealousy and nimbyism?

 

As I said - just my thoughts on this...

 

:congrats:

[Gardenmac]

This is what politicians discussing global warming and sustainable energy would look like

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I will start this by saying that of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, and my comments here are no exception. Overall though, I'm surprised by all the negative comments towards wind farms. There is an absolute case for alternative energy sources (ie not fossil fuel based or nuclear) and there is a significant amount of research under way that is aiming to maximise the use of clean energy.

 

I'm also surprised that for people who work in an industry that aims to reduce risk and manage the environment in whatever context, urban or rural, that green schemes which purport to reduce societies impact on the environment are not more supported.

 

I for one support the creation and use of wind farms and alternative energy sources in general. Surely comments that suggest green schemes only exist to make the rich, richer or screw the working man are completely missing the point. The working man doesn't own the land that the wind farms are on for example, so what difference does it make if the landowner then goes on to make money by renting out sections of their land for wind farms? The issue is that a clean energy is produced which is good for everyone, not that someone has an opportunity for a bit of profit.

 

Is it the case that negative comments about this could be fuelled by economic jealousy and nimbyism?

 

As I said - just my thoughts on this...

 

 

 

 

Agreed!

 

 

I totally support renewable technologies - and I've put my money where my mouth is with solar PV, solar thermal and biomass installed at home. In part it's to reduce my dependence on "grid" but also with a mind to my (very small) contribution to reducing my carbon footprint.

 

If I had a beef with turbines it would only be the apparent lack of cohesion, direction and planning policy that allows seemingly random pop-up turbines rather than a more consolidated approach like a "wind-park"

 

There are 2 recent erections near us with another in planning. To be honest, I'm considering an investment in one of them.

 

So, on to the money. Yes, there is no doubt DECC were caught with their pants down regarding the original PV tariff which was overly generous. That's why it's been reduced and the qualifying criteria tightened up. That's also why it's taken the muppets so long to deliver domestic RHI.

 

But here's a point for the arm chair Marxists, yes, there are incentives for those willing and able to invest and good luck to them because if the UK doesn't achieve it's carbon targets it'll be fined by the EU and the money will be lost anyway. So which is worse (a) incentive payments for those willing & able to invest or (b) just give a load of dosh to EU in fines?

 

Socialist / Marxist mentally, it's not the politics of equality, it's the politics of envy.