LOLER certifiable splices

[DrewB]

cheers fellas. i see the point of loler, some people use horrendous gear but also see it as a cash maker that could be very easily abused by inspectors.-and i no way am i saying anyone on here is abusing to make $$$$ by the way!!

[treequip]

cheers fellas. i see the point of loler, some people use horrendous gear but also see it as a cash maker that could be very easily abused by inspectors.-and i no way am i saying anyone on here is abusing to make $$$$ by the way!!

 

 

I am an inspector and the job is an hourly rate.

 

The only way it could be abused is if the inspector supplied kit, but even in that case there is no obligation to buy replacement kit from the inspector.

 

If a client did suspect the assessor was taking the pee, they can always find another.

[Will C]

Indeed, I've only done a very small amount of loler work, in that small amount I have seen a large amount of kit that is untraceable, as in spliced ropes without unique I'd even harnesses with damaged unreadable data tags. Should I fail this kit burdening the climber or company with a fairly large cost? Or make my own judgement as a person fit to do so, is it so black and white? A rope in good condition with a splice that looks and feels correct when compared to other splices of known quality is surely just that or is it:001_smile:

I have touched, felt and used a lot of kit over the years to consider myself fairly confident about making a decision. No I,d or traceability before inspection then let's make it traceable from now on, maybe I am just renegade. But then I've only ever seen one failed splice and that was a bit or New England HiVee with a manufacturers splice sold by Fujikura fully traceable and certified.

 

You need to think about if you could stand up in court and justify why you passed a bit of kit that some one has had a serious injury whilst using it (if it failed in use) when it was not a ce marked splice or evan just imported with no ce mark. A difficult position but one you need to consider.

[nod]

A wee bit behind the trail here but going back to the original queries. LOLER is an inspection of whether the kit is Fit For Purpose; if we are selecting PASS or FAIL based on an etching or paper slip with CE on it then we fail in that self appointed role & as inspector am no longer fit for purpose.

 

CE is nothing more than a trade agreement where equipment is tested to a predetermined set of EN standards which then enables sales throughout the EEC. Before that we had British Standards on such products or DIN in Germany.

 

It is high time that our industry took this onerous heep of crap by the horns. We are now almost 2 decades into a series of decisions that have impacted on our industry; decisions that were imposed without any dialogue with treework trade bodies or individuals. And consequently we now accept these standards as being relevent & without delving deep into the subject, I mean boringly deep then it's impossible to see the bottom of that pile. In the UK i'd be surprised if there were even a dozen individuals that have done this. If you're not one of those then i'd be fairly confident your opinion is largely or partially based on hearsay. Not the wisest stand point.

 

So, it's okay to use a loop sling CE certified & tested to EN566 or EN564 as a rope on rope friction management tool when the test standard has approved it as eye to eye or loop sling for lifting??

 

We carry a crock of **** around with us & share it happily. Just be aware & dig deep:001_tt2:

[markieg31]

A wee bit behind the trail here but going back to the original queries. LOLER is an inspection of whether the kit is Fit For Purpose; if we are selecting PASS or FAIL based on an etching or paper slip with CE on it then we fail in that self appointed role & as inspector am no longer fit for purpose.

 

CE is nothing more than a trade agreement where equipment is tested to a predetermined set of EN standards which then enables sales throughout the EEC. Before that we had British Standards on such products or DIN in Germany.

 

It is high time that our industry took this onerous heep of crap by the horns. We are now almost 2 decades into a series of decisions that have impacted on our industry; decisions that were imposed without any dialogue with treework trade bodies or individuals. And consequently we now accept these standards as being relevent & without delving deep into the subject, I mean boringly deep then it's impossible to see the bottom of that pile. In the UK i'd be surprised if there were even a dozen individuals that have done this. If you're not one of those then i'd be fairly confident your opinion is largely or partially based on hearsay. Not the wisest stand point.

 

So, it's okay to use a loop sling CE certified & tested to EN566 or EN564 as a rope on rope friction management tool when the test standard has approved it as eye to eye or loop sling for lifting??

 

We carry a crock of **** around with us & share it happily. Just be aware & dig deep:001_tt2:

 

Wowzer

Bit heavy going

[John Shutler]

Great post nod and certainly food for thought!!

 

 

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[AardvarkTreeServices]

 

CE is nothing more than a trade agreement where equipment is tested to a predetermined set of EN standards which then enables sales throughout the EEC. Before that we had British Standards on such products or DIN in Germany.

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Before CE came to be, you and I would need to understand 1000s of standards from all the European countries- which French standards would Petzl manufacture to? CE ensures a common set of essential health and safety requirements that makes it easy to buy stuff anywhere in Europe and know what your getting. Calling it a trade agreement is a tad off the mark.

[Peter]

I think you're getting your ENs and CEs mixed up.

 

EN is the standard, CE is a declaration by the seller that the item meets all and any relevant standard.

[AardvarkTreeServices]

I think you're getting your ENs and CEs mixed up.

 

EN is the standard, CE is a declaration by the seller that the item meets all and any relevant standard.

 

Nah! The CE mark is a statement that an item conforms to the EU mandatory essential health and safety requirements, ESHR. Theres no need to comply with any EN but a manufacturer/importer will have an uphill struggle to show compliance with the ESHRs, but not apply relevant ENs.

[Riggerbear]

Well said Nod.

I've meet LOLER inspectors that don't know what half of our equipment is used for.

Surely if you don't know what a piece of equipment is used for, how do you know where it might wear ?