What effect would scottish independence have on the UK tree industry?

[Dean Lofthouse]

The royal family may cost 31million per year ( personally I think the figure is a little higher ) but I believe at last count they generated 1/2 a billion in tourism alone in the uk.

[skyhuck]

The royal family may cost 31million per year ( personally I think the figure is a little higher ) but I believe at last count they generated 1/2 a billion in tourism alone in the uk.

 

Exactly!!!

 

I have no real interest in them personally, but they seem like a pretty good investment

[scotspine1]

The UK, it's a small island with very little going for it on an international level.

 

It could be argued the UK's permanent seat on the UN security council along with only four other countries - the US, China, France and Russia means it still has the potential to have a significant role in world affairs.

 

By voting YES to an independent Scotland you not only severely diminish Scotland's capacity to have at least some say in important world/European affairs (security/trade etc), you also threaten the UK's permanent seat on the UN security council. For people living in an independent Scotland (the UK's closest neighbour) - this scenario would be self defeating.

 

Scotland on it's own would have absolutely zero significance in world and European affairs. It would have less influence than the likes of Latvia and Estonia.

 

No one living in Scotland should take being part of the United Kingdom for granted.

[wrsni]

Most people I know are leaning towards a yes vote, and they're not all working class/neds/racists. They're mostly good, successful people who, similar to myself and many others are thinking 'yeah, this'll bring about problems, but there'll be problems regardless, and at least we made some of these for ourselves. Perhaps we stand a chance of sorting them ourselves'

 

Now you see that's a pro-independence stance that's hard to disagree with. I've seen Jim Sillars interviewed a few times and he's a very engaging man, his bottom line is that he wants his country to be independant, end of.

 

He doesn't claim everything will be rosier, he doesn't claim that everyone will be better off, he doesn't claim everything will just fall in to place, he doesn't claim that everyone is bullying them in to remaining part of the UK, he says that people in Scotland should just decide if they want to be independant.

 

Anyone who votes yes on that basis, fine, it's a brave move and should be applauded as such. Anyone who votes yes however to enjoy the land of milk and honey promised by Salmond definitely deserves the massive disappointment they'll suffer when it doesn't materialise.

[Mull]

I don't know anyone that thinks it'll be easy never mind rosier.

 

And I agree, mr squirrels post is one of the more measured and sensible ones.👍

[scotspine1]

Mr Squirrel's post is far from measured and sensible.

 

Why would a country strive to 'hit above its weight' as some put it? And what grounds does the UK have to do so? Norway for example, I can see having reason to, but they don't really.

 

Why do the SNP and pro independence supporters always cite Norway as an example for Scotland to follow?

 

Norway has just elected a Thatcherite government.....so could someone from the YES camp please explain how Norway is the model for Scottish independence?

 

An independent Scotland would be the most socialist country in Europe, if it isn't already. A state based on the empty ideology of welfare-ism. The Norwegians are actively moving away from that kind if thing.

[Mull]

Mr Squirrel's post is far from measured and sensible.

 

 

 

Why do the SNP and pro independence supporters always cite Norway as an example for Scotland to follow?

 

Norway has just elected a Thatcherite government.....so could someone from the YES camp please explain how Norway is the model for Scottish independence?

 

An independent Scotland would be the most socialist country in Europe, if it isn't already. A state based on the empty ideology of welfare-ism. The Norwegians are actively moving away from that kind if thing.

 

 

Well, a bit more measured than the naziism comparisons you were making a few pages ago.

[scotspine1]

Well, a bit more measured than the naziism comparisons you were making a few pages ago.

 

this?

 

He definitely recognised the negative impact of nationalism in Germany in the 30s when it coincided with the rise in persecution of the jews and other people who didn't conform to the nationalist ideal

 

There are people behind the scenes in the SNP that hold extreme views, Salmond and Sturgeon are tame in comparison.

 

I'm not saying the SNP are Nazis, I am however saying there are people within the ranks of the SNP who would be only to happy to see dissenters silenced in a SNP run independent Scotland.

[woody3]

having lived in a sovereign state where your laws and courts are based in london, i can not see any reason to vote yes for this, the travel visas and work permits required are bad.

 

nobody on the yes side has stated how they will get spain onside?

 

there will be no Scottish bank notes come a yes vote, so problem solved:laugh1:

[ArthurBottlesworth]

Someone pointed out to me that when gov't set fuel duty it forgot we actually do have a land boundary with eec

 

This is between N Ireland and Eire

 

Result is everyone in N Ireland drives to Eire to full up their tanks because it was much cheaper...( not sure what situation is now as this was few years ago)

 

But I think important thing is that London didn't even consider N Ireland when it thought about fuel duty, because to them ONLY LONDON MATTERED......

 

I think most of UK problems stem from this London centered thinking ......

 

In 1980's 85% of redevelopment money was spent in London

 

We all knew £1billion on Millenium dome was bad idea but they spent it......cos London wanted it

 

London has currently huge property bubble, when it bursts we'll all feel the waves ..........