What effect would scottish independence have on the UK tree industry?

[bobh]

Given that Scotland is not a sovereign state, it has no effective maritime boundaries; and any claims Scotland may assert are subsumed as part of claims made by the United Kingdom. It could be argued that there is no definitive 'Scottish' sector of the North Sea in the same way there isn't a Norwegian sector or a Danish sector, or indeed a UK sector. However due to the existence of two separate legal systems in Great Britain — that of Scots law pertaining to Scotland and English law pertaining to England and Wales, constitutional law in the United Kingdom has provided for the division of the UK sector of the North Sea into specific Scottish and English components.[5] The Continental Shelf Act 1964 and the Continental Shelf (Jurisdiction) Order 1968 defines the UK North Sea maritime area to the north of latitude 55 degrees north as being under the jurisdiction of Scots law[6] meaning that 90% of the UK's oil resources were under Scottish jurisdiction.[7][8] In addition, section 126 of the Scotland Act 1998 defines Scottish waters as the internal waters and territorial sea of the United Kingdom as are adjacent to Scotland.[9] This has been subsequently amended by the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundary Order 1999 which redefined the extent of Scottish waters and Scottish fishery limits.[10][11]

 

Well that seems conclusive, any links to that?

 

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[JimM]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Fisheries_Protection_Agency

 

Have a look here to see who is responsible for the waters around Scotland.

The SPFA boats patrol Scottish waters, whereas in the other sectors around the UK they are patrolled by River class patrol boats.

This has been the case for many years.

Above this the RN are obviously responsible for sea defence around the UK.

[Mull]

if it is a yes vote that is what scotland would become:001_rolleyes:

 

 

 

also more job losses

 

 

 

BBC News - EU law may force RBS and Lloyds to become English

 

 

Pure speculation.

Just the same as my own posts and most others on this thread.

[woody3]

Pure speculation.

Just the same as my own posts and most others on this thread.

 

 

is scotland keeping the queen yes or no?

 

it even states on the snp website that the outcome would be a sovereign state

[Mull]

is scotland keeping the queen yes or no?

 

 

I wouldn't like to speculate!!👍

[bobh]

I wouldn't like to speculate!!👍

 

We noticed 😁

 

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[Mike Dempsey]

I would be in favour of becoming an independent republic without the monarchy and hangers-on.

[woody3]

I would be in favour of becoming an independent republic without the monarchy and hangers-on.

 

it would be worth the gamble:thumbup: but thats not what the vote is for:laugh1:

 

scotland would also lose its higher court as with other sovereign states that is based in london and controlled by uk law:lol:

[Mr. Squirrel]

I've not read this entire thread, though quite allot of it. Got to credit it really, for a bunch of tree choppers there are some very good points here. Far more realistic and far less bs than you see elsewhere.

I was thinking about the money thing when it occurred to me that most of the times I've arrived in London with Scottish money shop keepers/bus drivers/bar renders have looked at me like I'm simple and refused my 'foreign money's so maybe that wouldn't change so much...

 

There really needs to be more clarity I think on the EU position, borders, currency etc. Currently it seems to add though one side dreaming, the other side talking those dreams down and nothing really being achieved.

 

I know some will call me an English hating fool but to me it comes down to some pretty basic feelings; I don't agree with all the wars that have been waged under the Union Jack, and I don't want nuclear weapons stored down the coast from me. It may be sort sighted but I don't think the current UK government are particularly in touch with the real world (though admittedly salmondland is pretty far fetched too), and I don't like that a crowd of lying, cheating politicians in Westminster call the shots for a place I see as being far removed from the south east, not so much physically as ideologically. I see the royal family as the nation's most successful benefits cheats (I believe they cost 31 million in tax payers money annually?). No matter how much they bring in tourism, that's 31 million for being born into the right family, which is wrong on every level.

 

Why would a country strive to 'hit above its weight' as some put it? And what grounds does the UK have to do so? Norway for example, I can see having reason to, but they don't really. They keep to themselves and get on with it. The UK isn't a colonial power anymore, it's a small island with very few exports, very little manufacturing and really very little going for it on an international level. It's like a potemkin economy and something HAS to change as far as I'm concerned.

Most people I know are leaning towards a yes vote, and they're not all working class/neds/racists. They're mostly good, successful people who, similar to myself and many others are thinking 'yeah, this'll bring about problems, but there'll be problems regardless, and at least we made some of these for ourselves. Perhaps we stand a chance of sorting them ourselves'

For the record I'm undecided, though I guess it's fairly clear which way I'm leaning...

[skyhuck]

The oil which is in Scotland's territorial waters will be Scotland's oil. Not too difficult to work out. Most of Europe may like to stake a claim but that would be the same as the UK staking a claim in the oil in Norway's territorial waters, not a chance. If, as it has been suggested here and other places that Scotland wouldn't be a member of the EU, there is even less of a chance that any other country would be able to access it or the fish or anything else.

At present Salmond has said he wants to be part of the EU. Salmond might not be in power as the SNP will dissolve once Independence has been reached. A new Government might wish to hold a referendum on EU membership (something you are not going to get down south in a hurry btw). Nothing is cast in concrete and many things may change over the next few years if independence is gained. Its a brand new entity and there will be opportunities to influence and make policy. I just hope it wont be the bankers and finance men who get to dictate what happens like they do down south!

 

Not much point in having a referendum on membership when it will be many,many years before a newly independent Scotland would even be considered for membership by the other members.