what VT and rope please???

[DrewB]

sweet,what temp/conditions?

 

i just chuck it in the normal wash mate. i do use eco-store organic washing stuff mind. with the crap it comes into contact with at work, im sure a bit of washing powder isnt going to do to much damage. has your new one arrived yet?

[atree]

i just chuck it in the normal wash mate. i do use eco-store organic washing stuff mind. with the crap it comes into contact with at work, im sure a bit of washing powder isnt going to do to much damage. has your new one arrived yet?

 

cool,no not yet,must be a postal strike!

[josharb87]

You will only need one hitch cord, problem is getting hold of it sorry

 

yeah i know i only need one hitch cord, but seeing as theres alot of diffrent opinions as to which is best, im going to try a few of the most popular (OP liros, AP, roblion ect(sp)) see what works best for me! at not much coin each, figure its worth it

[hesslemount]

Elderid experience timber blue with armor prus and Hitch climber or tachyon, armor prus and hitch climber... got the AP a while back as a sample and still on the same piece. looked a bit worn but bunged in the washer with BEAL rope cleaner and hey presto, good as new (Almost!)

 

I'm struggling a little with vt's and getting the vt and pulley far enough away from my saddle to get an arm's length pull for body thrusting. At the moment I've my eye spliced rope in one krab and then my vt with isa small fixed cheek pulley and 8mm armaride (for vt) on another krab. This means that the vt is just above hip height whereas I need it above head height.

 

What's the best solution? One simple way is attaching the vt / pulley system onto a Prusik loop and another krab of the desired length to clip into harness. But wouldn't this be unecessarily untidy and use too much kit. What I need to see is a photo of the vt assisted pulley system ON THE HARNESS with climber ready for tree entry.

 

As I say I have the system and works great for branch walking but for body thrusting I need my system further away. Is there a way of making it easily adjustable to bring it in closer for limb walking and further for body thrusting? I have seem this sytem with a Blake's hitch.

 

Any help appreciated especially photo's of the system ON THE HARNESS. Every time I've tried a system from photo's of a disconnected system there's been a gliche.

Edited December 10, 2008 by hesslemount
modified

[Rich Rule]

I'm struggling a little with vt's and getting the vt and pulley far enough away from my saddle to get an arm's length pull for body thrusting. At the moment I've my eye spliced rope in one krab and then my vt with isa small fixed cheek pulley and 8mm armaride (for vt) on another krab. This means that the vt is just above hip height whereas I need it above head height.

 

What's the best solution? One simple way is attaching the vt / pulley system onto a Prusik loop and another krab of the desired length to clip into harness. But wouldn't this be unecessarily untidy and use too much kit. What I need to see is a photo of the vt assisted pulley system ON THE HARNESS with climber ready for tree entry.

 

As I say I have the system and works great for branch walking but for body thrusting I need my system further away. Is there a way of making it easily adjustable to bring it in closer for limb walking and further for body thrusting? I have seem this sytem with a Blake's hitch.

 

Any help appreciated especially photo's of the system ON THE HARNESS. Every time I've tried a system from photo's of a disconnected system there's been a gliche.

 

I think the issue you may have is that you don't really thrust using the same technique with a VT. At least I don't anyway. I usually have the hitch very close the the harness, the bottom krab directly attached to the bridge. I then use 5 arm pulls lock my left or right arm on the last pull and tend to the slack. Once I am high enough the rope starts to self tend anyway.

 

You can lengthen the distance of the hitch away from you for trad style thrusting by adding a sling into the system or using the anchor bridge system.

 

http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=2291

 

stick with it and adapt to the style that suites you.

[Paul Barton]

Hesslemount - this may sound silly but do you realise that when ascending on a VT, you pull on the rope ABOVE the hitch, unlike a prussic or blakes where you pull below the hitch and then advance the hitch with your other hand. Therefore you actually want the hitch quite close to your body.

 

As Rich says above, pull yourself up hand over hand on the rope above the hitch, then lock your left arm to hold you in place while you use your other arm to pull the slack through.

 

I know a LANTRA trainer/NPTC assessor that disapproves of the VT because it temporarily places you in a fall situation - i.e. if you were to fall/let go before you have pulled the slack through you could potentially do yourself an injury by falling a few feet, or at worst if the hitch isn't set and doesn't grip, even further.

 

This is why most people only try the VT once they have been climbing on a prissic/blakes hitch for a while.

Edited December 10, 2008 by Paul Barton
added a bit

[Tom D]

Try putting a 30-50 cm loop sling or quickdraw in between the pulley system and your bridge, once you have ascended bring the puley back down and work with it at waist height, if you need to re ascend then unclip from the bridge again. I use this system and am quite happy with it, the loop I use does'nt get in the way as I thought it might when I first tried it.

[Paul Barton]

I have tried extending the VT away from the body so that you can pull hand over hand under the hitch and not have to take in the slack.

 

However, I found that if the hitch has to be set up so that it tightens as soon as any weight is put on it - I prefer it a bit looser than that. Also, after extending it away from your body far enough to ascend that way, I then found that the hitch was too far away to get a hand on it to descend! Rather embarrasing and I am sure I must have been doing it wrong.

 

I extended it by putting a marling spike hitch in the working end of the rope, sticking a krab through it and having the pulley connected to that (via another krab). You can adjust the distance from your body by moving the marlin spike hitch.

[arnoldbuchsassinger]

I have had similar things, have had good results using a KNUT along with treemagineers, also works well with a martin hitch, VT goes reasonably well, but i use 4 wraps on the top, case of testing and tuning