Was he right???

[WorcsWuss]

How? He didnt have a ticket

 

If that's the case and I've heard wrong then I stand corrected.

The rest of my post stands though!

[butler]

Reported elsewhere he was a student celebrating an exam from the pub and he had a ticket but not for the journey he wanted to make

 

As I have said earlier it’s just a shame the big man is getting prosecuted for doing what is in the eyes of many the right thing, the mistake he made was not sending the gobshites bag with him on the first time through the doors.

 

I am told it took ten minutes before he decided to lob the little mite out, I would have been on my feet in five.

 

If someone passes the hat round for the big mans defence or fine I have a tenner spare.

 

[butler]

I meet a lot of doormen who have really bad attitudes

[Mesterh]

ok, so what about all those people who have bought the wrong ticket or got on the wrong train?

 

would the granny, the mother, your sister....brother - mum or dad.....be treated the same way?

 

to quick to judge.

 

'the big man' was not trained to handle the situation - an should have stayed clear.

 

the ticket guy should have asked for ID and had the lad sort it out via the admin people.

 

its not the britain i want to live in, and i have been a doorman in london - so i've seen my fair share.

 

Did you watch the video?

 

Did that look like the actions of someone who forgot to buy a ticket or got on the wrong train?

 

Who knows what the consequences of that little thiefs actions are.

 

Someone suggested that the others on the train would be late to watch their favourite TV shows so what's the problem! I would havzard at a guess that with that many people delayed for that amount of time thier could easily be someone who was late to visit a loved one in hospital, late for a job interview, late to pick their children up late for etc etc etc.

 

So how dare someone steal from all those passengers then have the audacity to give cheek and blatantly not care about his actions and the following consequences.

 

Its people like him and people who support his 'human rights' that are destroying this country.

[Mark James]

I meet a lot of doormen who have really bad attitudes

 

I have met a lot of drunks with very bad attitudes!

 

 

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[Tom D]

This sums up the problem with Britain these days, the fact that this guy has been charged, irrespective of the trial outcome, is enough to let people know that openly flouting the law is acceptable. And that once again the law is on the side of the perpetrator.

[Mark James]

This sums up the problem with Britain these days, the fact that this guy has been charged, irrespective of the trial outcome, is enough to let people know that openly flouting the law is acceptable. And that once again the law is on the side of the perpetrator.

 

Spot on Tom.

 

 

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[Mesterh]

so we should all go out and be crusaders?

 

fighting tooth and nail for national rail, british gas, the electrics, virgin plc....etc....etc...

 

and giving someone a smack who has not paid this month????

 

think about it, if the lad didnt have a ticket, there is a reasonable and rational way to deal with it.

 

like i said....'the big guy' could have easily killed him, just one push onto hard ground would do it - would you all feel the same then?

 

I suppose it would be a start,why not?

 

What on earth is the reasonable way to deal with it, wait for ages for the rail police while everyone else suffers due to his selfishness?

 

Come on, get real he is a criminal so @@@@ him.

[Mondo]

This will always have peoples opinions divided, "BIG MAN" probably did step in because he was bigger than the boy! But keeping things in perspective of "RIGHT and WRONG" he stepped in when he FELT he saw something happening that was wrong. How many of you that have responded to this thread have seen something happen that you KNOW to be wrong and have done nothing? Have been happy to stand back quietly in the hope that the situation will pass or that someone with the balls to make a stand does ! My personal opinion is yeah maybe he did use a little more force than was immediately required but at least he made his stand against something he felt was wrong. Would you have stepped in to help the inspector or been like everyone else and sat back hoping that someone like big man would help out ? MY GUESS IS THAT IF YOU TRUTHFULLY LOOK WITHIN YOURSELF YOU KNOW YOU WOULD HAVE SAT BACK AND DONE NOTHING SO DONT JUDGE THOSE WHO HAVE THE NERVE MOST LACK BY HELPING OUT WITHOUT BEING ASKED!

[WorcsWuss]

This thread feels like logjam..... There's no doubting that this kid is an a-hole, he's got no manners or respect and is fairly typical of the sort of indifference we're producing in our youth. But no-one can argue that the big guy wasn't TECHNICALLY and LEGALLY in the wrong. Sadly 'morally' carries very little weight in present legal thinking....

 

However, while what the big guy did in this instance can easily be argued for, the kid was openly vile, there is every chance that what he did may have been wholly inappropriate or could have had tragic consequences.

 

I don't want to sound like a liberal.... I'm so far to the right I've fallen off the edge, however, the way this country operates is NOT the way of the 'vigilante' - it's the same reason that the riots achieved nothing, you can't get your way by throwing your weight around.

 

It was easy to foresee this outcome the second this story came to light. Punishment is in the hands of the law, however effective - or ineffective - that may be......

 

I still maintain that the route cause of this whole debacle was the guard on the train handling the situation in a wholly inappropriate way and if I had my way, he'd be sacked for allowing one of his passengers to 1, lay a finger on another and 2, do his job for him in a way that I'm pretty sure isn't in the staff handbook anymore... If he had said, 'No thanks' the big guy wouldn't now be in the pot.

 

I don't dispute that the police are generally a waste of time. But the big guy set himself up for a fall the second he got 'physically' involved. It's really difficult to argue in a court of law that not being able to present a ticket for a train is a greater crime than picking someone up and throwing him off said train....

 

Whether you agree with it or not you have to accept that this was the only possible outcome from the legal system we have in place..... All that is open to debate is whether you think that's right or wrong.

Personally I think in THIS INSTANCE it's wrong, however generally it would be a very dangerous direction to take.... who draws the line... if you run over a few days on your car tax is it OK for someone bigger than you to drag you out of your car and take the keys off you....?