should he stay or should he go.....(Clarkson)

[Mesterh]

He does speak absolute shite, buts its funny shite.

 

How un English of these public sector workers striking. They should stay downtrodden and keep theirs mouths shut.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

ha....the ironic thing is that the whole pension arguement is largely a mute point as anyone in the 40's and under age bracket is deluded if they think there is actually going to be such a thing as pensions when they reach retirement age.

 

Bang on the money!

 

Ain't that the truth!!

 

In the future people will look back at the post war generation, that had superb pensions, as a utopian generation.

 

We need to remember that a great many people died in the war and their wealth was passed on to others, meaning their was a great deal of money for those who survived the war.

 

We know have a situation where people are living longer and longer, so the wealth is getting spread thinner and thinner.

 

This gets me thinking of the "good old days", the baby boomer years, the 70s to 90s; it all seemed much more sensible and yet better off.

 

I worked in the civil service (you know where a lot of the men there wear trousers that have the legs stopping 4 inches above the ankles ) very briefly after busting my pelvis yonks ago and boy were they a institutionalised bunch. In exaclty at 9 and clocked out bang on 5 day in, decade out. Superb CSPS, Paid Christmas Shopping Time, regular funded parties, assistance with this, bonuses for that. Not earning London Banker Dollar but a cushy life if ever there was one. I can't think of one that would survive either the private sector or self employment. LA arbs don't take offence at this, I'm referring to office workers, DWP that kind of stuff.

 

It just irks me off that they have no idea how easy their life is compared to some.

[PeteB]

I was talking to a council chap the other day who was going to work on wednesday, he tells me that, if you are on less than £20k a year then you will not notice the affect. Furthermore, he was going to work as, the teachers would not go on strike for him so why should he loose a days money for them to get richer!

 

In my opinion, Clarksons comment was a misguided but he has never been known as Mr Politically Correct, and his opinions are not generally taken seriously so I am shocked at the level of wasted media time and the hype over a pillock being stupid! I think it shows the remarkable talent of some to take the frivoulous to heart and blow it out of proportion for their own gains!

 

Are the Unuions annoyed at the fact that he does not like or see the point of the strike action or that he (in bad taste) was over the top in suggesting such a punishment?

[Tom D]

isnt 3% of 45 years 15 years not 20:confused1:

 

You don't pay a percentage of the years that you work, you pay a percentage of your salary, i.e.. £30K salary, annual contribution of £900, so forgetting about interest and inflation you have paid in £40500 over your working life, you then live for another 20 years on say90% of final salary which is £27000 a year. That 27k over 20 years of retirement adds up to £540000!! so having paid in less than 50K you withdraw over half a million!!

 

And who makes up the shortfall????

 

 

Me.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

For those like me who didn't have a clue what this was all about...

BBC News - Jeremy Clarkson One Show exchange transcript

 

Don't get me started on this. I am a terrible ranter about the unions, socialists and public sector on facebook and have lengthy debates [rows, whatever] with 'friends' who work in the public sector.

 

Uh oh.. too late... I'm off.... sorry....

 

What anyone who works in the public sector needs to remember is this.

The private sector doesn't need you half us much as you need it sadly. If the public sector was to disappear up it's own backside tomorrow, within a few weeks private companies would be popping up all over the place doing their jobs but better and cheaper.

 

If the private sector collapses, which if the public sector workers [although it's principally the union leaders stirring rather than anything else] keep whingeing, striking and doing very little but doing it badly and for a high cost, then it could well do, then there will be no public sector.

As is well proven by the strikes, public sector workers won't work for nothing, they have a vastly overinflated sense of self worth and very little grasp on economics in the real world.

 

The public sector is a service industry. It produces nothing, it generates no revenue, it creates no export market, it simply consumes, in ever greater quantities, from the private sector. As a result of this I'm sorry but they just need to graciously accept what they're given right now.

A public sector worker can't even claim to be a proper tax payer, since I'm pretty sure the money the pay their taxes with comes from private sector taxation in the first place. It's a giant moneygoround and it needs a slap across the face and to be put back in it's place. It needs to follow the private sector.

 

Life is hard, we're all having to work a lot harder for a lot less in the private sector, but we suck it up and get on with it, we will make things better. Why can't teachers etc [who god knows have incredible packages in reality] stop complaining about how hard done by they are and just plaster on a smile and put up with it?

All they seem to do is blame bankers, and although that's an entirely different thread, we really must accept that bankers share only as much blame for all this as we the consumers with our insatiable thirst for cheap borrowing and even cheaper goods, and the vastly overpopulated & complex public sector, and the general unwillingness to carry out low paid menial tasks leading to a collapse in manufacturing & export.

We all played a part in making this situation. We need to face up to it and stop trying to blame everyone but ourselves.

 

Public sector workers striking are doing the total opposite and have absolutely no sympathy from me whatsoever. I'm a fairly reasonable person and have no problem with public sector employees being paid fairly, but that's not happening at the moment. I have also found anyone in the public sector who I have tried to talk to about it to act like a idiot, mostly just raising the volume of their voice while repeating the same thing 'But we deserve it... blah blah bankers... blah blah Tories'... THAT MAY BE, BUT THERE IS NOTHING TO PAY FOR IT!!!.

They're acting like children who have been told they can't have a new toy.

 

So yes, I would take them out and have them shot too.

 

Sorry guys, it does make me cross!

 

:congrats:

[RobArb]

why can't we all be happy and live in a eutopia?

[luftwaffe]

Most of the civil servants that i know don't take financial risks or even get their hands dirty, thats why they take the easy way out and work for the government, in other words neither use nor ornamant,

 

Luftwaffe always one for free spirits.

[skyhuck]

The stupid thing is, he first said "the strike is great", but then said " this is the BBC, so in the interest of balance..." and went on to say they should be shot.

 

It was clearly tongue in cheek.

 

I think the unions are disappointed with the affect of the strike and are using this in the hope it will further their cause, very desperate really.

[Le Sanglier]

I was talking to a council chap the other day who was going to work on wednesday, he tells me that, if you are on less than £20k a year then you will not notice the affect. Furthermore, he was going to work as, the teachers would not go on strike for him so why should he loose a days money for them to get richer!

 

In my opinion, Clarksons comment was a misguided but he has never been known as Mr Politically Correct, and his opinions are not generally taken seriously so I am shocked at the level of wasted media time and the hype over a pillock being stupid! I think it shows the remarkable talent of some to take the frivoulous to heart and blow it out of proportion for their own gains!Are the Unuions annoyed at the fact that he does not like or see the point of the strike action or that he (in bad taste) was over the top in suggesting such a punishment?

 

that's my favourite bit, thanks:thumbup:

[skyhuck]

There are going to be over 700K public sector jobs cut in the coming years (most of the jobs created by labour were in the PS) so if I was in the PS I would be keeping my head down and hoping I kept my job.