Anyone still like Labour?

[GarethM]

Like all student activists, they all talk a good game of free love and days of sofa watching Trisha.

 

Problem is the labour party have always remained a party of student activists, trying to be a party for every issue but not a party to run a country.

 

Oh let's let's give pay rises to the Drs, NHS, train drivers etc.

 

Are we going to use that as a bargaining chip to improve or value for money, nah let's pay up until April and another negotiation for you've guessed it MORE.

[PeteB]

I'm not from a wealthy background, nor will my kids or their kids either......

 

I'll not get a title or status from what I do or my bad decisions previously.....

 

I'll never get a big salary or expense account just for being there......

 

Regrettably,  there will be no gravy train for me!......

 

These muppets have cost me an extra £350/400 per month because I work every day, have a truck, try to save a bit for the rainy day, have a semi rural/farming/timber background and don't really like free loaders of any type!

 

I recently saw a quote that Labour wanted to hurt Ag folk as a response to Thatcher killing the dysfunctional coal industry! Don't get me wrong as I like heavy industry and that community but if it costed £2 for £1 worth of crap product then why bother!  I know people who where two years at the NCB who will pull a better pension than I after 40+ years in the private sector and are grateful that their pensions have always been protected and now Reeves boosted it with no return on the investment.....

 

Am I bitter and twisted? You better believe it! In spades. With 'Kin brass knobs on!

 

 

[Stere]

Pay "rises" thats are virtually  non existent  if you account for pay V Retail Price Index (RPI) inflation over the last few yrs?

 

Exploring the earnings of NHS doctors in England

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In this explainer, we look at how doctors’ pay in England has changed over time, how it compares to other salaries in the...

 

 

 

[PeteB]

I got a relative who is retired from the NHS. He admitted to me that his tax bill was more than the average yearly income each month. His pension was twice my income. 

 

 

[Stere]

The management get very well payed (thet claim its needed to keep up with the private sector to attract the right talent) - they have alot of managers etc.

 

Seems a case prehaps of -  too many chiefs not enough indians.

 

Alot of support staff are on near minimum wages....

 

Like all sectors the  pay  difference between the top and bottom has increased drastically

 

 

[GarethM]

Well that's on labour and the unions, we want pay rises for our members.

 

God forbid we use the clout for our lowest paid membership, nooo let's give it to the 70k train drivers.

 

For the rich not the many must be the mantra.

[Squaredy]

4 hours ago, Stere said:

Pay "rises" thats are virtually  non existent  if you account for pay V Retail Price Index (RPI) inflation over the last few yrs?

 

Exploring the earnings of NHS doctors in England

WWW.NUFFIELDTRUST.ORG.UK

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In this explainer, we look at how doctors’ pay in England has changed over time, how it compares to other salaries in the...

 

 

 

I am sure you are right the pay rises in the last 15 years have not been what some doctors would have liked.  Nevertheless, year one earnings for a wet-behind-the-ears doctor average £41,300.  And they only go up year on year.  It is not a badly paid profession!

[Mr. Squirrel]

13 hours ago, MattyF said:

Problem is the tiny majority of farmers are the ones who should be feeding you , they will have to sell the land or go bankrupt when it’s passed down … who buys the land ? People with more money who won’t farm it.

Amy one would think it’s part of the great DAVOS plan which keir has sworn his allegiance too….
 

Presumably with the introduction of inheritance tax wealthy land owners won’t be interested in buying up farm land as a tax loop hole though. Which would in turn make it a less attractive investment, lower demand, lower the value making it more affordable and actual farmers are able to pass on more land tax free. 

[MattyF]

48 minutes ago, Mr. Squirrel said:

Presumably with the introduction of inheritance tax wealthy land owners won’t be interested in buying up farm land as a tax loop hole though. Which would in turn make it a less attractive investment, lower demand, lower the value making it more affordable and actual farmers are able to pass on more land tax free. 

No they will still buy land ,get ****************ing huge grants to plant trees on it so it is tax free or solar  ,off set carbon or what ever the latest scam is. 
Either way it won’t go to food production.

[GarethM]

Without putting a finer point on it, the ultra wealthy types can afford good lawyers and accountants.

 

Either way if the rumour mill is to be believed, tomorrow might be a good indicator of the level of anger.