Pay per mile

[Bunzena]

Smart meters.

 

Then tax the electricity specifically used to charge vehicles.

[AHPP]

38 minutes ago, manco said:

my immediate thought is that if they raise tax on petrol to tax high-mileage motorists, what about the petrol we buy for our machines?

my other immediate thought isnt polite

We’re still paying duty on aspen two stroke so don’t hold you breath for a break. 

 

Aye. Pull them apart with horses. Or Transits if you can afford to. 

 

[GarethM]

It'll never EVER be free, blame EVs for driving around scott free for years.

 

Reality is commercial pays very little VED, as they use lots of fuel. HGV are an example, cheap tax but loads of fuel so swings and roundabouts.

 

It's just a rinse and repeat of the diesel thing switched to EV. Oh we made them change and they're using less petrol and not as much diesel, now it's cheaper electric.

 

You get the idea.

[Steven P]

Yup, they still want their ££ whatever we use

 

 

(EV... can't tax from house electric - penalised those without cars and if you have solar PV + battery you'd pay no tax there)

[Johnsond]

4 hours ago, Steven P said:

Which to be honest, at the worst case estimation 15p / mile and take off the approximated 6p / mile petrol duty, 20,000 miles would give an extra bill of about £200... In the grand scheme of things, not a lot. Zero rate the car tax and that drops to maybe £100? Drive only a few hundred miles  year and you'll be better off

 

That 15p is the worst case, there are a whole range of costs quoted from 1p up to 15p

Who the hell drives only a few hundred miles a year ?? 

 

4 hours ago, Steven P said:

Which to be honest, at the worst case estimation 15p / mile and take off the approximated 6p / mile petrol duty, 20,000 miles would give an extra bill of about £200... In the grand scheme of things, not a lot. Zero rate the car tax and that drops to maybe £100? Drive only a few hundred miles  year and you'll be better off

 

That 15p is the worst case, there are a whole range of costs quoted from 1p up to 15p

Right SP 

Run those numbers past  me again will you ? 
 

[tree-fancier123]

20000*.15 is only £3k, people ought to be pleased if it comes in - saves them worrying about what products and services to waste their disposable income on

Edited October 28 by tree-fancier123

[Donnie]

Will be an utter pain in the arse and I do easily 20K in my van every year if not more. 

 

I live in a rural part of Scotland where everything is a drive. 
 

We are already taxed to the maximum in this country. 
 

Yet another way of punishing rural people in the favor of city slickers. 
 

Don’t even get me started on the dropping the percentage of alcohol either as that is just a step too far in my opinion. 
 

If I’ve read up on that right… it is to avoid tax. 

 

Edited October 28 by Donnie

[Johnsond]

On 28/10/2024 at 09:30, Steven P said:

Which to be honest, at the worst case estimation 15p / mile and take off the approximated 6p / mile petrol duty, 20,000 miles would give an extra bill of about £200... In the grand scheme of things, not a lot. Zero rate the car tax and that drops to maybe £100? Drive only a few hundred miles  year and you'll be better off

 

That 15p is the worst case, there are a whole range of costs quoted from 1p up to 15p

Can you just run those numbers by us again SP 

[Conor Wright]

On 28/10/2024 at 09:04, Steven P said:

Not sure where I stand on this but there is a drop in revenue for them from petrol tax which they need to get back. A massive change to how we pay taxes if there was though. Taxes are inevitable just how they are collected changes. Sure there will be some whinging from those living in mansions in the sticks but if done fairly the tax we pay should be similar however they do it

The sensible thing to do would be to tax evs fairly by taking into account the environmental impact of battery production and disposal/recycling, along with the necessary grid upgrades and capacity required to keep up with charging needs. Averaged over the expected lifespan of the vehicle as an annual tax perhaps? 

 

This would surely be seen as a positive tax by ev owners, seeing as its environmental betterment that seems to be their usp.

I'm not against evs but the battery issue is going to get ugly if some funding isn't set aside. They can't just be stored indefinitely.

Being somewhat of a pessimist I can see a big shed of them somewhere becoming the new Sellafield for a generation that's not yet born.

 

Maybe I'm merely whinging from the sticks too, sadly its not from a mansion, but a self built log cabin. 

At least that should offset some of my emmisons!

 

[Mark Bolam]

The manufacturing takes place abroad Conor, so there is no environmental impact on us.

You idiot.