Problems and issues this industry faces and how to deal with them.

[JLA1990]

Has arb ever been a well paid industry and rates have suddenly dropped? I’m not talking turnover of work, more salary/pay on the hour.  In my my mind you can’t suddenly expect to get paid more for the same job - if you do you need to find a niche or expand (I’ve always understood it as you can make a decent living but you won’t be rich). Personally I don’t work domestic never have, as for me there is no financial growth and too many people willing to work for bottom rates. Simply working hard isn’t enough in todays market to warrant higher pay. Micro/macro it’s about finding your place in the market and diversifying/evolving as required and getting your numbers correct …. That’s my two cents 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

3 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

My gast is flabberd, well almost.

You know full well I’ve got certain suppressed Marxist tendencies!

 

Did you hear Mick Lynch giving it to James O’Brexit on LBC Friday lunchtime - it was legendary!

 

JOB was somewhat surprised to find one of his preferred allies had such anti EU sentiment - genuine Lefty attitude rather than posh twat North London Labour. 
 

In favour of EEC but you can stick the EU up your channel tunnel 😎

[eggsarascal]

31 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

You know full well I’ve got certain suppressed Marxist tendencies!

 

Did you hear Mick Lynch giving it to James O’Brexit on LBC Friday lunchtime - it was legendary!

 

JOB was somewhat surprised to find one of his preferred allies had such anti EU sentiment - genuine Lefty attitude rather than posh twat North London Labour. 
 

In favour of EEC but you can stick the EU up your channel tunnel 😎

I hadn't heard it, I've just watched it on YouTube. JOB is a champagne socialist, I sort of get him, but he's not my type.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

8 hours ago, eggsarascal said:

I hadn't heard it, I've just watched it on YouTube. JOB is a champagne socialist, I sort of get him, but he's not my type.

He’s a prick. 
 

Lynch caught him well off guard with his knowledge of EU legislation and aspiration. 
 

Cnuts like JOB chopsing off about how great things would be if railways were nationalised whilst simultaneously lamenting Brexit - ****************wits have no idea that the 2 things are diametrically opposed. 
 

Corbyn understood it, that’s why he was so Luke warm about the party line for Remain. It ran contrary to all that he really believed in. 
 

And that’s Labour - it doesn’t even know why what it wants is undeliverable. 

[Puffingbilly413]

17 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

I don’t agree.

The money is what it is, it’s not the market’s perception that dictates pay, it’s the supply and demand of capable climbers that dictates the pay.

 

 

I think it's both, Mick.  Availability of staff (climbers or otherwise) will definitely have an impact on pay.  I have seen it up here.  Arb employers dragging feet and not wanting to raise salaries but then realising that if they want a reliable and stable workforce then they need to pay more.

But it's also true that clients do have a perception of what a job is worth (as others have noted).  It might be that they haven't the budget to pay more or they simply don't want to - either way that could have an impact on what a firm charges.  I say 'could' because I know what I need to charge for a certain job and that's it - I'll just walk away and move on to the next one.  But I still quote knowing that there is a balance to be found between what we would like to charge and what I think clients will pay - I just don't negotiate on price with clients.

[Mick Dempsey]

Clients usually have a figure in their head of what they hope it’ll be. What husband and wife hasn’t said to one another ‘how much do you think it’ll cost?’

Followed by the other one saying ‘dunno, a grand maybe?’ You walk in and say £800 and the jobs yours. 

If they won’t pay what firms are charging for an expensive removal, it doesn’t get done.

 

Same for any trade, window fitter, roofer or whatever.

[Retired Climber]

12 minutes ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Clients usually have a figure in their head of what they hope it’ll be. What husband and wife hasn’t said to one another ‘how much do you think it’ll cost?’

Followed by the other one saying ‘dunno, a grand maybe?’ You walk in and say £800 and the jobs yours. 

If they won’t pay what firms are charging for an expensive removal, it doesn’t get done.

 

Same for any trade, window fitter, roofer or whatever.

Out of interest, where do you think the figure in their head comes from? What do they use to set the original anchor? 

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. This is basically what I do for a living, and I usually have these conversations with other behavioural economists / psychologists / economists, so your layman's opinions on the matter are very interesting. 

[AHPP]

He’ll want €100/hour to talk to you now. 

[Mick Dempsey]

7 minutes ago, Retired Climber said:

Out of interest, where do you think the figure in their head comes from? What do they use to set the original anchor? 

I'm not trying to be a smart arse, I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. This is basically what I do for a living, and I usually have these conversations with other behavioural economists / psychologists / economists, so your layman's opinions on the matter are very interesting. 

Well, I can only imagine that they do like I do when I take the car to a garage, a  chipper to a repair shop or any other trade in to do a job.

You sort of guess, using experience and a rationale.

Then you add 30% cos life is like that.

 

 

[Mick Dempsey]

I did a job for a guy over here, 5 easy oaks to dismantle, leave wood onsite, easy days work. €650 plus VAT iirc.

 

A few months later his mate asked me to quote an absolutely massive deodar, restricted access, limbs 2ft diameter over the house, absolute nightmare material.

I told him 5k is a ballpark figure, he was totally gobsmacked, said I thought as you charged €650 to my mate it’d be about  the same.

 

10 years later, tree is still there.