Red diesel

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

9 hours ago, Woodworks said:

What organisations campaign for things outside of their remit? 

I’ve no doubt the point is not lost on you mindful of your supposed environmental interests....  

 

Perhaps the whole rationale for the change somehow doesn’t  apply to the agricultural sector and it has absolutely nothing to do with the pernicious lobbying influence of the NFU. 

[eggsarascal]

Organisations! They are a union, just like all other unions that the very same people don't like when they are working against them. Strange old world.

[Woodworks]

32 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I’ve no doubt the point is not lost on you mindful of your supposed environmental interests....  

 

 

I try to minimise diesel use regardless of what it costs.

 

I dont know why you have a bee in your bonnet about a tax reductions on food production. Many families are struggling to afford food as it is. 

 

Sure the system is a mess and I would rather see more expensive food and the money go directly to those that can least afford it but work within the system we have however faulty it might be. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by Woodworks

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

54 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

Organisations! They are a union, just like all other unions that the very same people don't like when they are working against them. Strange old world.

The greatest similarity between the NFU and other unions is that (certainly in the upper reaches) they tend to forget the actual working man and focus rather upon the continuation of adverse influence and 6 figure executive salaries whilst boldly claiming the right to live in social housing - you won’t need the examples I’m sure 3gg3R. 
 

It’s actually hilarious to see small holders extolling the virtues of the NFU. Poor deluded fools....

[eggsarascal]

3 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The greatest similarity between the NFU and other unions is that (certainly in the upper reaches) they tend to forget the actual working man and focus rather upon the continuation of adverse influence and 6 figure executive salaries whilst boldly claiming the right to live in social housing - you won’t need the examples I’m sure 3gg3R. 
 

It’s actually hilarious to see small holders extolling the virtues of the NFU. Poor deluded fools....

No examples needed, at least BC pretended to represent the working man!

 

Phone call incoming.

[Johny Walker]

16 hours ago, Redwood27 said:

Hi

    Anybody still using red diesel. £150 to fill a bandit xp12 on white... How's affecting the industry

How long will that last on average

 

[doobin]

1 hour ago, Woodworks said:

I try to minimise diesel use regardless of what it costs.

 

I dont know why you have a bee in your bonnet about a tax reductions on food production. Many families are struggling to afford food as it is. 

 

Sure the system is a mess and I would rather see more expensive food and the money go directly to those that can least afford it but work within the system we have however faulty it might be. 

It doesn't subsidise food. Commodities are a global market- that's why New Zealand lamb (raised by smart, forward thinking farmers who rose to the top after subsidies in NZ were abolished) depresses the price of British lamb every year.

 

All the farmer friendly legislation does is push up the price of farmland and make it attractive for City investors, who generously let the UK equivalent of the progressive NZ farmer scratch a living on it once the investor has claimed the subsidy.

 

I the UK, you have famers on modern 5-10 year farm business tenacies paying four times as much in rent as the farmer on the third generation of a tenancy from the 70s, who can either just be a crap farmer and cruise along (plenty of them), or use their arbitrage to buy their own farm!

 

Subsidies should go.

[Woodworks]

1 minute ago, doobin said:

It doesn't subsidise food.

Putting money in farmers pockets that can later be squeezed out through low paid prices for the produce without them going bust is subsidising food IMO

[Ruskins Trees]

This is a tax grab by the Government

 

Any suggestion by them that it will stimulate a change to non diesel vehicles, plant and tools is at best 10 years ahead of its time.  

 

Their view that it encourages the use of Red Diesel is laughable.

 

As far as for environmental purposes, if they meant this  that would not put the same level of duty on Bio fuels and diesel.

 

They  would reduce it to at least the cost of diesel and many would switch, to less the diesel and we would all switch.      

 

I wish we were more like the  French and rise up against such nonsense. Instead we console ourselves we are still angry about it and not yet  completely rolling over and just letting them shaft us without complaint.   

 

 

 

[Baldbloke]

Hi

    Anybody still using red diesel. £150 to fill a bandit xp12 on white... How's affecting the industry

And last year on here when I suggested that the construction industry’s loss of red usage would seriously impact on new house prices some were quick to rubbish my thoughts[emoji1]