Russia Invades ukraine

[AHPP]

The most dangerous thing is he seems rational and is right about things some of the time. 

[Mesterh]

This is quite a good timeline of WW2

Looks like the Russians did quite a lot of land grabbing, I don't ever remember much talk about that in the old history lessons back in school!

 

World War II: Timeline

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World War II was the largest and most destructive conflict in history. Learn about key WWII dates in this timeline...

 

[AHPP]

7 minutes ago, AHPP said:

The most dangerous thing is he seems rational and is right about things some of the time. 

 

Like when you meet someone, get on well and foresee a fruitful friendship but then they invite you to see Elvis play at an open mic night on Wednesday. 

[peds]

22 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

 

Looks like the Russians did quite a lot of land grabbing, I don't ever remember much talk about that in the old history lessons back in school!

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We were definitely fed a very western perspective at school, when our side of things was really just a sideshow. From a purely numbers point of view, the main event of the European theatre of WW2 was the Eastern front. It's impossible to comprehend the destruction.

 

Obligatory shoutout to Dan Carlin's Ghosts of the Ostfront if anyone hasn't heard it yet.

 

Edit:

Carlin's podcast

Ghosts of the Ostfront Series – Dan Carlin

WWW.DANCARLIN.COM

 

Edited June 8 by peds

[Stubby]

It has been reported that Ukraine are no longer just defending . With the permissions to strike at the Russians across the border things are less tense . 

[dan blocker]

On 08/06/2024 at 08:39, GarethM said:

@peds it's not a shaky grasp of history, history is never binary and is down to interpretation, that's why we have historians.

 

Just because Germany went on a little corporate expansion didn't make it WW2, most of Europe was taken quickly until it came to the borders of the UK and Russia and it became apparent what was happening to dissenters and cleansing in the years following.

 

As I've said we live in a different world, it'll never happen again with social media.

 

Imagine Pinochet, Pol Pot, Franco, Mussolini today.

The German advance didn’t stop at the British border, it stopped at the moat called The English Channel. If there was no channel and a land border they would have rolled up the UK pretty fast. The German advance also didn’t stop at the Russian border - it got  to within 6 miles of Leningrad and 20 odd miles of Moscow. If the front line hadn’t moved faster and further from being re supplied they probably would have defeated the Russians. If they hadn’t of attacked Russia and concentrated on the UK we’d probably be reading this in German?

[GarethM]

They stopped at the borders of Gibraltar, they did occupy the channel islands tho.

 

Russia was always slowed partly because of it being winter but also the difference in railway gauge, which still exists today I think.

[dan blocker]

5 minutes ago, GarethM said:

They stopped at the borders of Gibraltar, they did occupy the channel islands tho.

 

Russia was always slowed partly because of it being winter but also the difference in railway gauge, which still exists today I think.

Spain was neutral. There were no German offensive forces in Spain, only intelligence and covert operations such as U boat refuelling etc. they could not of invaded Gibraltar from a so- called Neutral country without dragging Spain into the conflict.

[Stubby]

Russian losses in men since the beginning of the invasion are fast approaching 600K . That includes dead , wounded , and deserted .  Putin causing  a fenominal  waste of life . Equipment losses are astronomical as well . 130mm towed artillery from the 1950s are being dusted off with a frantic search for 130mm munition .  It can't be sustainable . 

[topchippyles]

50 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Russian losses in men since the beginning of the invasion are fast approaching 600K . That includes dead , wounded , and deserted .  Putin causing  a fenominal  waste of life . Equipment losses are astronomical as well . 130mm towed artillery from the 1950s are being dusted off with a frantic search for 130mm munition .  It can't be sustainable . 

Yourself and those 1950s tanks would be around the same age that be correct stubby. 😗

Edited July 24 by topchippyles