Why am I so disgusted at the Charity Commission investigating Capt. Toms charity

[Billhook]

8 hours ago, benedmonds said:

 

 

Would I send my kids to one if I could afford it... Probably.. They are still wrong.

Perhaps it is the State schools that are wrong if that is what you think!

[difflock]

9 hours ago, benedmonds said:

The average private school fee (not including boarding schools) was found to be £13,700 a year, compared with £7,100 in spending on each state school pupil.  According to the Guardian.

 

They are plain wrong unfair and should be banned. The few proxy bursaries are irrelevant in the larger scheme and removing the smart kids from the state sector doesn't help the state schools if anything it does the opposite.

 

They teach privaliged kids to think they are better than the lower classes. Old boys clubs mean stupid people end up in positions they should not be and make it way harder for smart people to achieve.

 

Teaching in them is much nicer as the kids can be booted out if they are naughty and their parents expect them to work hard. State schools are underfunded, many of the parents don't give a toss and few support the school.

 

Would I send my kids to one if I could afford it... Probably.. They are still wrong.

But that is precisely the base politics of envy and spite and jealously that drives the leftist socialist Labour  movements.

Drag, or smash everyone down to a baser level, so we can all be equal.

How about we all aspire to be better instead?

And if parents are prepared to pay private school fees, on top of the taxes they are forced to pay already for a dysfunctional state system, they are already freeing up a "free" place in a state school.

So a win-win surely?

And if the state system refuses to exclude deeply disruptive pupils, it can hardly be the fault of the private system, can it?

Edited March 7, 2022 by difflock

[trigger_andy]

12 hours ago, difflock said:

If anyone would care to properly count up the actual cost per pupil educated, state run against private run, it might well prove illuminating.

The wife taught in a state run school, but fully supported the private school sector, which she had had the good fortune to benefit from as an army brat.

They are not all Eton's by any means, and many of them provide bursaries and provide an education for the less well off who are intelligent enough to qualify. Paid for in part by doting wealthy parents throwing their own money at attempting to educate their thick as pig shit offspring, which subsidizes the others. Also many bequests by old boys and girls.

Not many state schools can inculcate that level of lifetime support.

The wife having observed both sectors says it is simly the quality and dedication of the staff, which is not necessarily reflected in their pay grades or bands either.

Cheers,

Mth

 

My two oldest went to a Private School in Stavanger for near on 5 years. (British International School of Stavanger) At the time it was about £1000 a month per pupil. I can assure you that the education level was far superior than anything that we've seen in the two fairly well respected High Schools they went to when we returned to Scotland. Smaller classes, respectful pupils, engaged teachers who pushed your kids to a level they where comfortable with irrespective of what the other pupils where capable of. My children where advancing through material for the year above them and the teachers encouraged it rather than holding them back like they would in a State School. 

 

My Wife was the Science Technician at the American International School of Stavanger. I think that the fee's where about £1500 a month there. The level of education was extremely high. For example the budget for Science was far in excess of what you'd find in a State School. A lot of time, effort and money was spent on providing experiments you'd just not see in a State School. My Wife even started a course (or whatever its called) in anatomy where she went around the abattoirs and collected various products such as eyes, hearts and lungs. Items that needed certain paperwork to be allowed to collect and dispose of after they have been experimented on. The kids where all issued iPads for homework etc. 

 

There is simply no comparison of a State School verses a Private School. 

[difflock]

10 hours ago, benedmonds said:

The average private school fee (not including boarding schools) was found to be £13,700 a year, compared with £7,100 in spending on each state school pupil.  According to the Guardian.

 

They are plain wrong unfair and should be banned. The few proxy bursaries are irrelevant in the larger scheme and removing the smart kids from the state sector doesn't help the state schools if anything it does the opposite.

 

They teach privaliged kids to think they are better than the lower classes. Old boys clubs mean stupid people end up in positions they should not be and make it way harder for smart people to achieve.

 

Teaching in them is much nicer as the kids can be booted out if they are naughty and their parents expect them to work hard. State schools are underfunded, many of the parents don't give a toss and few support the school.

 

Would I send my kids to one if I could afford it... Probably.. They are still wrong.

But that is precisely the base politics of envy and spite and jealously that drives the leftist socialist Labour  movements.

Drag, or smash everyone down to a baser level, so we can all be equal.

How about we all aspire to be better instead?

And if parents are prepared to pay private school fees, on top of the taxes they are forcedto pay already for a dysfunctional state system, they are already freeing up a "free" place in a state school.

So a win-win.

And if the state system refuses to exclude deeply disruptive pupils, it can hardly be the fault of the private system, can it?

[difflock]

It  came through a state school a wile lot o years ago.

It was shite, with older dispirited disinterested teachers.

I then went to the local Tech which was much better.

But, having subscribed to some building trades architectural magazine for a number of years and reading of all the brand new "state of the art new schools(which all had to have "pods" and super sophisticated heating systems) replacing relatively new but ill maintained schools at great cost.

And knowing in the local community of such horrendously expensive and  unneeded building works, never mind first hand knowledge of the deliberate scrapping and skipping of perfectly serviceable  desks and such stuff, just so that the budget could be spent on new stuff before the year end.

The state system can NEVER compete with the private sector.

And my wife taught in the state sector, and despaired at the lack of educational rigour, Union values( the purpose of a school is to employ and pay  teachers, not educate pupils as might be imagined!) and uncaring attitudes towards the pupils.

Plus promotion of arse lickers who ticked all the correct PC boxes, regardless of their merits as a teacher.

Cheers

Edited March 7, 2022 by difflock

[benedmonds]

2 hours ago, difflock said:

But that is precisely the base politics of envy and spite and jealously that drives the leftist socialist Labour  movements.

Drag, or smash everyone down to a baser level, so we can all be equal.

How about we all aspire to be better instead?

And if parents are prepared to pay private school fees, on top of the taxes they are forcedto pay already for a dysfunctional state system, they are already freeing up a "free" place in a state school.

So a win-win.

And if the state system refuses to exclude deeply disruptive pupils, it can hardly be the fault of the private system, can it?

Absolute twaddle.  We need to bring state schools up, not bring public schools down.

You don't free up a place by going to a private school. Schools are funded per pupil so if a school doesn't have pupils it gets less funding.

What does happen, is those parents who care about educating their children (and can afford it) move their children to fee paying schools. Moving these (lets be honest) nice middle class families out of the state school reduces the proportion of nice families and that impacts the school making it a place where  is more difficult to achieve

 

  

[difflock]

33 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

Absolute twaddle.  We need to bring state schools up, not bring public schools down.

You don't free up a place by going to a private school. Schools are funded per pupil so if a school doesn't have pupils it gets less funding.

What does happen, is those parents who care about educating their children (and can afford it) move their children to fee paying schools. Moving these (lets be honest) nice middle class families out of the state school reduces the proportion of nice families and that impacts the school making it a place where  is more difficult to achieve

 

  

 

Ah,

Just ponder your last paragraph perhaps.

[openspaceman]

On 05/03/2022 at 17:02, Mike Dempsey said:

All the public schools such as Eton, Harrow etc are registered charities. Perhaps all their teachers and headteacher should be volunteers or maybe they should give up their charitable status as they are run as businesses?

I just thought I'd revisit this; I have nothing against the idea of public schools anymore than going to a private dentist ( I went to state schools and only started with a private dentist in my forties, because NHS ones were not available), as has been said the parents of children at public schools also contribute to the state system. Cronyism being a by product of a public school system just shows we don't live in a meritocracy.

 

What interests me is what rates do public schools pay and being a charitable trust does this reduce the rates?

[Billhook]

Here we go again, Mother (CEO) on £440,000 and daughter on £194,000 (MD) of “One Young World “ charity.

 

Meghan Markle backed charity One Young World is being investigated over its salaries

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The Charity Commission launched the probe just days after portraits of Meghan and the Duke of Sussex...

 

[Mick Dempsey]

Fook all to do with Meghan and Harry in reality.