Walker killed by cattle....

[Mesterh]

1 hour ago, Mick Dempsey said:

Purely from a hypothetical point of view if person A. Gets dementia or whatever and they have a house worth a quarter of a million quid. Their specialist care over a number of years costs say 200k, then why should their estate not pay for it?

Why should the taxpayer foot the bill and the children pocket the lot?

All I can say is I hope they are getting better care in nicer surroundings than someone who hasn't worked a day in their lives.

 

 

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

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[donnk]

lets not forget the occupants of the dingies arriving every couple hours go straight to the front of the housing queue, straight to the front of the NHS waiting lists, banned  from working so are given pocket money to watch Jeremy kyle.

 

and this country is not fecked.

Edited February 18, 2022 by donnk

[Sutton]

4 hours ago, Ernesto said:

Because us GenX'ers have worked for 35-40 years to flippin earn it.

Exactly like I did 'til I was in my thirties.

It's just childish whing and jealousy, "It's not fair".

Sorry for the rant, this kind of thing just annoys me.

 No worries. I was jesting anyway. The open mouth in shock & wink emoji didn't work

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[Stubby]

1 hour ago, donnk said:

lets not forget the occupants of the dingies arriving every couple hours go straight to the front of the housing queue, straight to the front of the NHS waiting lists, banned  from working so are given pocket money to watch Jeremy kyle.

 

and this country is not fecked.

They are too late for Jeremy Kyle ...

[Richard 1234]

On 18/02/2022 at 12:06, john87 said:

You will be fine. If/when he is discharged from S3 then S117 is automatic providing a person has an ongoing care need which i presume he will, so no worries there. As for how long S117 lasts though, how long is a piece of string..

 

Some people start off on S117 and later are deemed to get a bit better and not to need care.. Next time they need care they are told the S117 has expired if you like, other people it seems to go on for ever.. Suppose it depends on where you live..

 

Here is what you need to be careful of.

 

Now, all social workers are liars. Maybe not by nature, but they are forced to lie by their bosses. Instead of a sectioning order under the MHA there is an alternative, that is, DoLs, which is "deprivation of liberty safeguards" which has the same effect, a person is detained, but instead of it being under the MHA, it is under the "mental capacity act"

 

Social workers are all for this and when questioned will tell you that; [and they will use these exact words] "it is the least restrictive way of detaining a person] Utter bollocks!! You are either detained or you are not!!

 

They are mad keen to use the MCA and NOT the MHA, as then, they can charge you, as no S117.. it is no accident, trust me..

 

You will have two people in EXACTLY the same position, one on DoL's having to pay the full cost of their care, and the other on an MHA section followed by S117, not having to pay a penny..

 

There was someone across the road from me, they owned a house worth about £275,000 another house worth about £200,000 and they sold their flat in london for nearly £500,000 too. God knows what money they already had. Anyway, they became ajudged to be unable to care for themselves, [despite taking themselves on a 300 mile round trip and organising the sale of the flat] and had home care for about 12 hours a day, every day. This went on for YEARS [until they died]. As they had once been sectioned, they did not have to pay a bean, thanks to S117, despite the fact that they were almost certainly a millionaire..

 

john..

They were talking about the mental capacity act instead of section to begin with. They said it was easier/quicker to do. That’s about my knowledge on that one. 
the care sector really should be swallowed up by the nhs and paid by the usual taxes that would need to go up a bit. But they could keep NI contributions going into retirement on pensions maybe. (and I actually hate the idea in some respects as the nhs is too big to work properly now but at least it would all be under one accountable body) 

it would free up money that would circulate in the economy as well. As all these houses and bank accounts that are currently taken to pay for care would then become available to use on other things

[john87]

3 hours ago, Richard 1234 said:

They were talking about the mental capacity act instead of section to begin with. They said it was easier/quicker to do. That’s about my knowledge on that one. 
the care sector really should be swallowed up by the nhs and paid by the usual taxes that would need to go up a bit. But they could keep NI contributions going into retirement on pensions maybe. (and I actually hate the idea in some respects as the nhs is too big to work properly now but at least it would all be under one accountable body) 

it would free up money that would circulate in the economy as well. As all these houses and bank accounts that are currently taken to pay for care would then become available to use on other things

Thank god he got the S3 then.. Would have been S2 first then S3. All the "it would be quicker" is just their lies.

 

Biggest problem with the NHS is too many chiefs, not enough indians, and the chiefs they DO have, are all useless and avoid making any decisions. The waste of money is insane. They have good ideas, buy LOADS of equipment, change their minds, hide the stuff they bought, then quietly scrap it all.. Seen it over and over..

 

They simply cannot understand that the best people to decide what is needed are ward managers, and no, a hospital does not need an army of staff with "made up" job titles..

 

Back in the day, health and social care was all the same thing. We had wards in my hospital just for dementia sufferers, then thatcher threw them out into private homes run by friends of the tories..

 

Now, i ask you; What is the sense in the state [in most cases] paying vast sums of money for people to be placed in private care homes [making vast profits for the owners] when the state could do it itself, save money, AND do a better job??

 

Wait for all the comments now about i do not know what i am talking about..

 

john..

[Mull]

Haven’t read this thread, but people are getting more stupid by the day, cows are dangerous I suppose, we should know that🤷‍♂️, they are big and they are animals.
We are all going down the Tory route and lots of employers offer private health care, good thing I think, certainly better conditions for staff, takes pressure off nhs too.

Stay away from the coo’s, give them peace to turn into a sirloin or burger.

[Macpherson]

1 hour ago, john87 said:

They simply cannot understand that the best people to decide what is needed are ward managers, and no, a hospital does not need an army of staff with "made up" job titles..

 

Back in the day, health and social care was all the same thing. We had wards in my hospital just for dementia sufferers, then thatcher threw them out into private homes run by friends of the tories..

 

 

5 hours ago, Richard 1234 said:

the care sector really should be swallowed up by the nhs and paid by the usual taxes that would need to go up a bit.

 

Hi John and Richard,

 

Although this is a massive derail of a thread that's about some poor unfortunate person being killed by a cow, I think that the subject that you're discussing could do with it's own thread and with that it might get more participants as I'm sure that many on here are dealing with the same [ to me, by design ] problem with elderly care.

 

As for myself my mother of 92 is being cared for in her own house by what seems to becoming the new system of private companies gleaning everything from folk who worked and paid to the national health system with their life long NI contributions expecting that they would have been taken in with open arms and been cared for and valued by the propaganda that they were led to  believe in, but it seams that in fact they've been duped  and have been dumped for the profit of government passing the financial gain being passed  on to their compatriot's who they ARE in league with.

 

In the UK,  or anywhere else,  if you think for one second that the powers that be have your  best interests at heart you need to get you're you're head right out of you're arse and wake the **************** up, we're being manipulated big style with the new IT spying  abilities that have been made able on  a massive scale by big tech and all it's devious ambitions.

 

As far as the NHS goes, listen and believe what this guy say's.

 

 

 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Macpherson

[john87]

50 minutes ago, Macpherson said:

 

 

 

Hi John and Richard,

 

Although this is a massive derail of a thread that's about some poor unfortunate person being killed by a cow, I think that the subject that you're discussing could do with it's own thread and with that it might get more participants as I'm sure that many on here are dealing with the same [ to me, by design ] problem with elderly care.

 

As for myself my mother of 92 is being cared for in her own house by what seems to becoming the new system of private companies gleaning everything from folk who worked and paid to the national health system with their life long NI contributions expecting that they would have been taken in with open arms and been cared for and valued by the propaganda that they were led to  believe in, but it seams that in fact they've been duped  and have been dumped for the profit of babes.

 

In the UK,  or anywhere else,  if you think for one second that the powers that be have your  best interests at heart you need to get you're you're head right out of you're arse and wake the **************** up, we're being manipulated big style with the new abilities that have been made able on  a massive scale by big tech and all it's devious ambitions.

 

As far as the NHS goes, listen and believe what this guy say's.

 

 

 

Yes, i would start a new thread. What should i call it??

 

I have not watched the video yet, i do not need to really, i work in a hospital and i can tell you that it is ALL being prepared for sale.

 

In addition, shamefully, despite what lying politicians will tell you "the NHS is not for sale" and it will always be free etc, they have changed the law so that they CAN charge.. Even more shamefully, it was tony blair that did it..

 

Now, unlike with social care where in certain circumstances a person has a legal RIGHT to care [provided you have the money to sue the LA that is] the NHS DOES NOT have this duty. The NHS does not have a legal duty to provide care, the government must merely promote a "comprehensive" health service. As i say, this has been held to mean in general and not a duty to any one person, so you have NO RIGHT to help from the NHS..

 

Worse, in the 2006 NHS act it states that; "The services so provided must be free of charge except in so far as the making and recovery of charges is expressly provided for by or under any enactment whenever passed"

 

So there we have it, no matter WHAT lies politicians tell you, they have ALREADY changed the law in order to be able to charge any time they like..

 

The problem is, the laws surrounding care are so complicated that the LA think people do not know what they are entitled to, and even if they do, they will lie as to what the law is and ignore people, safe in the knowledge that they will not get legal aid so there is not too much that they can do..

 

If anyone needs any help i am a bit of an expert at this, but only insofar as the law relates to WALES [ours is similar but different] so can point people in the right direction if needed..

 

In england it is the care act 2014 and in wales the social services and well being act 2014..

 

You say; "As for myself my mother of 92 is being cared for in her own house by what seems to becoming the new system of private companies gleaning everything from folk who worked and paid to the national health system with their life long NI contributions expecting that they would have been taken in with open arms and been cared for and valued by the propaganda that they were led to  believe in, but it seams that in fact they've been duped  and have been dumped for the profit of babes"

 

Yep, 100% correct.. My hospital had about 800 - 850 patients. Now they have about 60 or 70. What do you think happened to the remainder over the years?? Well i can tell you. In the main, either homeless, in jail or dead.

 

As for the remainder, apart from those on S117, any care they get [most do not] that is NOT provided actually in a hospital, will NOT be provided by the NHS at all [they refuse to], but by social services [under duress], which means that the patients have to pay for their care [as i say, if they get any] themselves, anything up to £100 a week and that includes those on "benefits" before anyone starts talking silly..

 

john..

Edited February 20, 2022 by john87