Poll on two rope technique.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

12 hours ago, Khriss said:

Printed this. Put it in every office on Network.  And.......  K

Khriss, please "hang fire" til after Monday as I need to check that this was an interpretation / application before ICOP2 was finalised / published and hence may not be wholly in accord with "latest industry guidance."

speak more Monday

Paul

[Khriss]

Just now, AA Teccie (Paul) said:

Khriss, please "hang fire" til after Monday as I need to check that this was an interpretation / application before ICOP2 was finalised / published and hence may not be wholly in accord with "latest industry guidance."

speak more Monday

Paul

Fear Not , still awaiting latest guidance and current health situation aint making things happen fast . K

[Dan Maynard]

I like your way of thinking, any work on a leylandii needs to be a fell [emoji4]

If it's not too big a hedge, especially next to a driveway, I usually offer to fell for the same price. Quite often get taken up.

So much more fun ragging it to bits stood on the ground, just more chip.

[Paddy1000111]

22 minutes ago, aspenarb said:

How many of you guys have signed company disclaimers and still use SRT?

 

Bob

In what sense? Disclaimers about using SRT or a disclaimer about using 2 anchors? 

[Khriss]

Just now, Dan Maynard said:

If it's not too big a hedge, especially next to a driveway, I usually offer to fell for the same price. Quite often get taken up.

So much more fun ragging it to bits stood on the ground, just more chip.

Almost universally my recommendation . K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

33 minutes ago, aspenarb said:

How many of you guys have signed company disclaimers and still use SRT?

 

Bob

That’s a can of worms....

 

Company recognises employees may be deviating from procedure but offers them an opportunity to formalise and record the deviation at their own risk. 
 

It’d be like signing a pre-emptive admission of failure to manage H&SaW and providing HSE a free pass to prosecution 🤯

 

 

 

[skyhuck]

Pretty sure you can't sign away you safety or wellbeing. 

 

Property damage, yes.

[Paddy1000111]

This goes back to my question before though. SRT is just a technique, you can still use SRT whilst abiding by 2 anchor 

[skyhuck]

1 hour ago, Paddy1000111 said:

Our of interest, climbing with two anchors, do you really find that the additional couple of minutes here and there makes you not economical as a climber? 

I won't do it because I genuinely do not think it's safer, I actually think its potentially more dangerous. It's simply over complicating things. My rope has a breaking strain of over 3tones and I'm capable of choosing a branch that will easily talk my weight. IMO it's like suggesting cars should have two seatbelts, just incase.

 

When limb walking, the slowest thing is paying out the slack and taking it in on return. Why double that process for no good reason? It's just stupid, IMO.

 

This tree was dismantled and removed on the day, by three of us, I know that would not have happened using two ropes.

 

 

 

[aspenarb]

1 hour ago, Paddy1000111 said:

In what sense? Disclaimers about using SRT or a disclaimer about using 2 anchors? 

 

49 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

That’s a can of worms....

 

Company recognises employees may be deviating from procedure but offers them an opportunity to formalise and record the deviation at their own risk. 
 

It’d be like signing a pre-emptive admission of failure to manage H&SaW and providing HSE a free pass to prosecution 🤯

 

 

 

 Kevin and Paddy its not an H&S get out or slippery side step, we merely get a signed contract from our climbers clearly stating they will not use SRT.

I am not condoning or condemning SRT, perhaps climbing certification should clearly indicate which method a climber has been trained or retrained in.

 

Bob