The woodsure scheme, do we need it?

[Stubby]

6 hours ago, neiln said:

Plenty of big stoves in the US have a 'temperature control' the user sets and the stove operates the air controls via bimetallic strip.  I think they tend to be those that also have catalytic converters. Check out blaze king.  It's for ready of use though, load a big stove once a day, the controls give steady heat output and the catalyst keeps the gases clean.  All very convenient for the user, I'd love one!

About 40 years ago I had a Parkray hopper fed stove . It was fed on anthracite beans . it had a bimetallic air control . You set it at a number ( 1-10 I think )  and when it got to the temp that corresponded with the number set it shut the air down . as the stove cooled it would open up again . Simple but worked .   

[neiln]

Exactly.  The auto control of the air is simple. Also, with the catalytic stoves the fire box can be rammed full of fuel and set to slumber, burning really long, the cat which is above the baffle kicks out most of the heat as it burns the smoke.

I just looked up the blaze king king, their biggest stove in 81% efficient, EPA compliant, 4.35cuft firebox that can be stuffed full of over 80lbs of wood. On low it kicks out 4.9kW for 40 hours.  Ok it's big, and overkill for many UK houses, in fact you'd probably need to be in some Scottish estate mansion to get close to the temps and house volume that it would work well in but they do have smaller stoves too.  I'd love to be able to get my days worth of wood from the stack, pack it straight in the firebox in one go, and not touch the stove again until the next day. However I can see they is not the market for stoves over here and can see why UK manufacturers don't have similar. Here is lots of small stoves for ambience, the blaze kings are 'wood heaters' and quite different. Although I have wondered how difficult and costly it would be for a UK manufacturer to partner up and become the UK importers.  I'm sure they would sell a few but I imagine the cost of testing for UK may be quite an outlay. My understanding is that our tests are the same as the US EPA, so they may accept the exciting certification perhaps.

 

[Vedhoggar]

3 hours ago, neiln said:

Exactly.  The auto control of the air is simple. Also, with the catalytic stoves the fire box can be rammed full of fuel and set to slumber, burning really long, the cat which is above the baffle kicks out most of the heat as it burns the smoke.

I just looked up the blaze king king, their biggest stove in 81% efficient, EPA compliant, 4.35cuft firebox that can be stuffed full of over 80lbs of wood. On low it kicks out 4.9kW for 40 hours.  Ok it's big, and overkill for many UK houses, in fact you'd probably need to be in some Scottish estate mansion to get close to the temps and house volume that it would work well in but they do have smaller stoves too.  I'd love to be able to get my days worth of wood from the stack, pack it straight in the firebox in one go, and not touch the stove again until the next day. However I can see they is not the market for stoves over here and can see why UK manufacturers don't have similar. Here is lots of small stoves for ambience, the blaze kings are 'wood heaters' and quite different. Although I have wondered how difficult and costly it would be for a UK manufacturer to partner up and become the UK importers.  I'm sure they would sell a few but I imagine the cost of testing for UK may be quite an outlay. My understanding is that our tests are the same as the US EPA, so they may accept the exciting certification perhaps.

 

The most efficient UK stove is the 2022 Burley Ecoelite range of stoves, designed, developed and made in England, they produced the only UK stove, three stage combustion with a catalytic converter, some models are 92% efficient, double glazed with temperature reaching 400-600C with no extra use of fuel - more heat and less woodfuel. They do 4kW-12kW stoves (burley.co.uk).

Edited August 29, 2021 by Vedhoggar

[Gav73]

The most efficient UK stove is the 2022 Burnley Ecoelite range of stoves, designed, developed and made in England, they produced the only UK stove, three stage combustion with a catalytic converter, some models are 92% efficient, double glazed with temperature reaching 400-600C with no extra use of fuel - more heat and less woodfuel. They do 4kW-12kW stoves (Burnley.co.uk).

That website will take you to some very friendly people…

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Vedhoggar said:

The most efficient UK stove is the 2022 Burnley Ecoelite range of stoves, designed, developed and made in England, they produced the only UK stove, three stage combustion with a catalytic converter, some models are 92% efficient, double glazed with temperature reaching 400-600C with no extra use of fuel - more heat and less woodfuel. They do 4kW-12kW stoves (Burnley.co.uk).

I have a Burley Hollywell which was rated as the most efficient at the time 82.9% . It is also double glazed but with no cat . 92% is a big jump . Cant see any of their stoves rated at that though . Which one is it ?

Edited August 29, 2021 by Stubby

[Vedhoggar]

23 minutes ago, Stubby said:

I have a Burley Hollywell which was rated as the most efficient at the time 82.9% . It is also double glazed but with no cat . 92% is a big jump . Cant see any of their stoves rated at that though . Which one is it ?

The Burley Holywell 9105-C and Bradgate 9305-C are both up to 90.4% efficient, it’ll be the Holywell 9105 that you have Stubby not the 9105-C.  Both 5kW norm - 6.4kW max. Haven’t got one myself but a friend of mine has just ordered one and if I was after a new wood burning stove of that size myself I would definitely get one.

[Peasgood]

2 hours ago, Gav73 said:

 

That website will take you to some very friendly people…

 

No stoves though

[Stubby]

1 hour ago, Vedhoggar said:

The Burley Holywell 9105-C and Bradgate 9305-C are both up to 90.4% efficient, it’ll be the Holywell 9105 that you have Stubby not the 9105-C.  Both 5kW norm - 6.4kW max. Haven’t got one myself but a friend of mine has just ordered one and if I was after a new wood burning stove of that size myself I would definitely get one.

Thanks . Yes my stove is 8 or 10 years old now . Still works a treat . In that time I have had 2x sets of vermiculite board , 1x inner glass and a new top baffle/soot catcher plate that I made myself out of 3.0mm stainless . The OEM ones are too flimsy IMHO .

[sandspider]

Did you install mesh in the baffle plate Stubby, or just drill some small holes? I have a similar Burley and the baffle plate (with mesh to trap the soot) does seem flimsy. 

[Stubby]

6 minutes ago, sandspider said:

Did you install mesh in the baffle plate Stubby, or just drill some small holes? I have a similar Burley and the baffle plate (with mesh to trap the soot) does seem flimsy. 

Yes I drilled series of holes  ( about 2.5 or 3.0 mm ) in a matrix in the aproximate position of the two mesh areas .