The woodsure scheme, do we need it?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

12 hours ago, openspaceman said:

had a problem along these lines,

It wasn’t so much a problem as it was the solution (successful defence) against HMRC. 
 

I see the points being presented above but not sure a difference in process cost between 2 businesses could result in the more efficient business being charged with failing to bring a non monetary benefit to book where that benefit only arises in comparison to a less efficient business process. 
 

As much as I despise state interference, not even HMRC Nazis could pull that off....

[openspaceman]

48 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

It wasn’t so much a problem as it was the solution (successful defence) against HMRC. 
 

I see the points being presented above but not sure a difference in process cost between 2 businesses could result in the more efficient business being charged with failing to bring a non monetary benefit to book where that benefit only arises in comparison to a less efficient business process. 
 

As much as I despise state interference, not even HMRC Nazis could pull that off....

Ah but my tongue in cheek point was about whether a self supply of arb waste for burning yourself could come under the definition of "sale" in the regulation as it was a benefit in kind.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

9 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Ah but my tongue in cheek point was about whether a self supply of arb waste for burning yourself could come under the definition of "sale" in the regulation as it was a benefit in kind.

It’s a can of worms 😂 which the Upper Tier Appeal Judge refused to open - much to my very evident and obvious (just short of contempt) displeasure.... 

 

Id been allowed to do ‘em over just enough to prove a point but was prevented from delivering the Coup de gras that I had my sights set on. 
 

Wouldn’t do for the “little man” to be seen to have tucked up HMRC would it 👊🏻

 

It might catch on.....

Edited August 14, 2021 by kevinjohnsonmbe

[trigger_andy]

 
I'm entirely in favour of electric vehicles and reducing domestic firewood usage. I say that as someone with a V10 Touareg and a 20kw stove. I can't wait until my car simply plugs in and I no longer have to feed a stove. 
 
However, legislating like this punishes the retailer who is fundamentally selling a sound product. There is no such thing as bad firewood. There is only firewood that is sufficiently dry and firewood that needs more drying time. The education and legislation needs to be targeted at the end user, not the retailer. 
 
Ban open fires, ban inefficient stoves, make flue pipe thermometers compulsory or even automatic vents to moderate air flow. Educate the end user and stop punishing the retailers for idiots that don't know how to use a fire or what to burn. 

Purely playing devil’s advocate here but I thought with the new woodsure thing the supplier had to also give the purchaser a pamphlet on how to store the logs properly? And how hard is it to use Google? Ignorance is a choice these days.

[Stubby]

22 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

 

 

 

 

Purely playing devil’s advocate here but I thought with the new woodsure thing the supplier had to also give the purchaser a pamphlet on how to store the logs properly? And how hard is it to use Google? Ignorance is a choice these days.

That's a bit loaded Trigg !

[trigger_andy]

5 minutes ago, Big J said:

 

The problem is that efficiently operating a stove isn't something that most people can easily pick up by just looking at a pamphlet. You need to be interested in it and want to get it just right. I used to enjoy the art of it, but after 12 years and about 360-400 cubic metres through my own stoves, the novelty has worn off.

But surely we’re moving away from the purpose of woodsure? To deliver logs at or below a specific MC? 
 

Operating a modern stove efficiently when the logs are at a low MC is child’s play. No slumber setting makes smouldering quite difficult. 
 

Had open fires all my life. Stoves are still a bit of a novelty though, only had them for the last 15 years. But feeding two 10-11kw stoves on a daily basis is more a necessity these days. But with the Esse Ironheart having 4 controls it is slightly more of an art form. 

[BARNSLEY BOB]

Got a call from woodsure today.
Luckily iam under the threshold this year.
Must be going through the Google listings.

[Dan Maynard]

Crikey.

Luckily you're under B for Barnsley, they'll be a while getting to M.

[william petts]

3 hours ago, BARNSLEY BOB said:

Got a call from woodsure today.
Luckily iam under the threshold this year.
Must be going through the Google listings.

Did they ask for proof that your under the threshold? And before they called have you contacted them or not made any contact at all?

[BARNSLEY BOB]

No proof.
No contact.
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