How does one keep logs at 20% at this time of year ?????

[Paul in the woods]

I've mentioned the wet basis vs dry basis before. It seems strange the legislation doesn't mention what basis the 20% refers to. Even a search on the Woodsure site doesn't find anything. However, this video, at about 1:15 in, does mention wet basis and it also mentions the point about moisture meters.

 

https://woodsure.co.uk/firewood-moisture-content/

 

I think most cheap meters measure on a dry basis as they are also aimed at construction although many don't state what basis they use.

 

Screen print from the video:

 

[openspaceman]

2 minutes ago, Paul in the woods said:

I've mentioned the wet basis vs dry basis before. It seems strange the legislation doesn't mention what basis the 20% refers to. Even a search on the Woodsure site doesn't find anything. However, this video, at about 1:15 in, does mention wet basis and it also mentions the point about moisture meters.

 

https://woodsure.co.uk/firewood-moisture-content/

 

I think most cheap meters measure on a dry basis as they are also aimed at construction although many don't state what basis they use.

 

Screen print from the video:

 

Hooray it must be a few years since I mentioned this.

[Paul in the woods]

20 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

Hooray it must be a few years since I mentioned this.

I probably picked it up from you.

 

I do wonder how these new regs will be enforced. Will trading standards have their own meters or will they expect suppliers to have one? If the latter then it would make sense to have one that clearly shows what basis it uses.

[openspaceman]

1 minute ago, Paul in the woods said:

I probably picked it up from you.

 

I do wonder how these new regs will be enforced. Will trading standards have their own meters or will they expect suppliers to have one? If the latter then it would make sense to have one that clearly shows what basis it uses.

They are plainly expecting woodsure to police it, trading standards will only get involved when a customer checks moisture content  and kicks off , then this business of using moisture meters designed for lumber and dry weight basis being used for logs will show up.

[Justme]

2 hours ago, openspaceman said:

They are plainly expecting woodsure to police it, trading standards will only get involved when a customer checks moisture content  and kicks off , then this business of using moisture meters designed for lumber and dry weight basis being used for logs will show up.

I think most of the policing done by woodsure will be via customer complaints. 

Looking further up at the costs you could screw a supplier by complaining as each one costs them money.

[Woodworks]

6 minutes ago, Justme said:

I think most of the policing done by woodsure will be via customer complaints. 

 

There will be plenty of that as it seems most moisture meters are made for the construction industry so will read high

[Rob_the_Sparky]

Just how many of the general public will know about wet v dry humidity readings when on here it is a struggle?

[Woodworks]

5 minutes ago, Rob_the_Sparky said:

Just how many of the general public will know about wet v dry humidity readings when on here it is a struggle?

Or the trade or was I alone in my ignorance? 

[openspaceman]

1 hour ago, Woodworks said:

Or the trade or was I alone in my ignorance? 

You're a joiner so would have been used to measuring dryness on a dry weight basis. The chips in the devices are probably all the same so it would be sellers of meters for the fuelwood trade that are at fault for not pointing out the difference.

 

wwb		dwb
10.00%		11.11%
11.00%		12.36%
12.00%		13.64%
13.00%		14.94%
14.00%		16.28%
15.00%		17.65%
16.00%		19.05%
17.00%		20.48%
18.00%		21.95%
19.00%		23.46%
20.00%		25.00%
21.00%		26.58%
22.00%		28.21%
23.00%		29.87%
24.00%		31.58%

[Dan Maynard]

I don't think many of the public are aware of any change in regulations at all. Some are vaguely aware that the government are banning woodburners, which I think came from a Mail headline when they started talking about restricting firewood sales.

Just for a laugh I searched for a supplier in the woodsure directory, nearest are 36 miles south or 40 miles north. Not a massive take-up there yet as I'm sure there are plenty of suppliers closer.