Can I do some extra freelance work for the company I work for?

[Steve Bullman]

You’re confused on the subject 

[Khriss]

4 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

You’re confused on the subject 

Possibly the OP aint been clear, but an certainly not going to recommend him putting himself in a dodgy situation. If he employed by same company. K

[JaySmith]

As others have said no reason why you can’t be self employed and employed, your employer deducts your tax and NI and then technically you do a tax return for your self employed income that you generate.

Not sure how it stands legally if you are employed and self employed by the same company. Normally you could be 5 days a week for one firm then freelance/contract climb for another firm (s) at weekends. It sounds a bit strange why they just wouldn’t pay you overtime and lump it with your normal wages. Only thing they will be saving by making you SE would be the employers NI and pension if you have one, but then as SE you would normally charge more than an employed guy to offset things like climbing kit, saw etc. Doesn’t really make much sense.

When self employed if you are a labour only contract climber who turns up with a bag of tricks and top handle you don’t need insurance as it’s not your job. If the company quoted and won the job then takes their truck and chipper and ‘owns’ the job and gets paid for it then they need the insurance. If you are just providing yourself and under their guidance, ie reduce that tree mate, thin that tree mate, take that one down etc etc then they need the public liability insurance and employers liability as it is their job. Where it changes is if you bring your own truck and chipper and effectively execute the job from start to finish then the job has been subbed to you and you would need your own insurance. I’m no lawyer but have spent some time looking into it and this is pretty much what I’ve discovered and one to the conclusion of

[Khriss]

30 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

You’re confused on the subject 

Basically, i would want to see their insurance,  then get it in writing - and good luck with that one  😕  K

[Marc Lewis]

Mr Bulman is correct, if you are coming inas a freelance climber working with his staff etc, he is still covered on his insurance as far as public liability is concerned.

It is odd because the firm has gone to all the extra costs of employing op paye, why then would he want him woring se too, as far as i can see only the op benefitting. I might be missing something

[AHPP]

I just wondered if anyone knows if this is allowed. My company that I'm on PAYE for offered me extra work as a freelancer instead of as overtime, which seems a bit dodgy and weird to me but the pay's better per hour. I can't find anywhere on the internet where it says this ISN'T ok, so maybe it's fine?   Does anyone know more about employment law than me and can help out please?  

M.

 

 

 

Is the company asking you to do more work like you would do as an employee (their gear, working with other company men etc) or are they trying to get you to do some jobs on your own (they being very hands off)?

 

The hourly rate suggests the former?

 

 

[eggsarascal]

1 hour ago, Khriss said:

Nope. And have had endless arguements over the kit, driving, Ltd companies, the works. Believe me for the OPs sake, if shite hit the fan the company would leave you hanging. K

You are still wrong.

[Khriss]

22 minutes ago, Marc Lewis said:

Mr Bulman is correct, if you are coming inas a freelance climber working with his staff etc, he is still covered on his insurance as far as public liability is concerned.

It is odd because the firm has gone to all the extra costs of employing op paye, why then would he want him woring se too, as far as i can see only the op benefitting. I might be missing something

.... I think you are-   devil is in the detail remember?  K

[eggsarascal]

2 minutes ago, Khriss said:

.... I think you are-   devil is in the detail remember?  K

I've been a freelancer for ten years, there is no need for insurance. I also do some subby work which I do need insurance for. I know the detail.

[Mark Bolam]

36 minutes ago, Marc Lewis said:

Mr Bulman is correct, if you are coming inas a freelance climber working with his staff etc, he is still covered on his insurance as far as public liability is concerned.

It is odd because the firm has gone to all the extra costs of employing op paye, why then would he want him woring se too, as far as i can see only the op benefitting. I might be missing something

Same here.

I would certainly be asking questions!