Covid 19 inconsistencies

[Steve Bullman]

Just now, Johnsond said:

I’d be curious to know hand on heart how many people on here or elsewhere are in reality following the guidelines to the letter. Myself I openly admit not at all, but what I do try and use is common sense. Luckily I live in the sticks which does mitigate the risk of too much social interaction. 

Mostly, more to shield my parents than anything else. We don't really go out all that much, although do still enjoy eating out once a week. Thats a nicer experience at the moment though anyway due to most places being half empty.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

For balance / consideration:

 

42k UK deaths from covid so far

 

Registered UK disabled figures

 

1990 - 6.9 million

2011/12 - 11.6 million registered disabled

2019 - 13.9 million

2020 - 14.1 million

 

Excess Winter Cold deaths

 

2017/18 50.1k

2018/19 - 25.2k

 

Just a small sample of data  drawn from various online sources some may not be entirely accurate - bit like track and trace - to try and put some perspective on things.

 

Of course preventative measures may have resulted in keeping the relatively low C19 death rate but why so much effort in this situation whilst others that are equally as catastrophic have seemed to go completely under the radar year on year?

 

The registered disabled exponential increase (even adjusted for population growth) must be one of the most worrying facts for the sustainability of any society.  Either there is a massive amount of lead being swung or, as a nation, as a species, our resilience is reducing at at alarming rate..

 

 

 

[Rich Rule]

Track and Trace - Whats to worry about.  FML.

 

Cant even answer a simple question.  

 

 

[Khriss]

Seem to remmber the Shengen agreement covers this ? K

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

47 minutes ago, Big J said:

My ongoing saga with travel to Sweden looks like it'll take another interesting turn this week. Currently there is no restriction on going there, but my wife heard in the media this morning that it might be returned to the red list on Thursday. 

 

What's completely ridiculous is that they are using the figure of 20 cases per 100k people per week as the cut off. Sweden presently has around 30, we have over 100 in the UK. So in travelling to Sweden, we'd be going from a higher risk area to a lower risk area and yet we'd have to quarantine on our return? It's bloody ridiculous! 

 

I'm presently trying to bring my wife around to the point of view that there is no moral or technical case to adhering to any such quarantine restriction, so we're as well to go and just crack on as normal when we get back. I'll quite happily fight them in court about it as any such restriction on my liberty to travel is without any demonstrable reason. Restriction without just cause cannot be justified, and as such is unlawful.

 

To reflect on the contributors from the previous several pages, another lockdown is clearly unworkable and is unlikely to seriously benefit anyone. I believe that the primary reason that the case rate came down over summer is that we had months and months of glorious weather. A modicum of social distancing, coupled with everyone being outside vastly reduced the transmission rate. With the winter looming, it will be more challenging to continue to use outdoor spaces for socialising.

 

We just need to implement a considered and sustainable policy for managing covid through winter. Preventing families and friends from seeing each other (legally) will only result in bad feeling towards any government policy, and compliance will reduce incrementally. This is especially true if there are any further 'Cummings breaches'.

Agreed!  I'd change 'incremental' for 'exponential' though...

[Haironyourchest]

I'll just leave this here.

 

Coronavirus: Man Scolded for Cuddling Grieving Elderly Mother at Funeral

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A funeral director interrupted a funeral to tell a man to stop...

 

[Matthew Storrs]

On 05/10/2020 at 09:03, Johnsond said:

Just sat and watched the news report on the care home visiting situation. The people imposing these restrictions on family visiting should hang their head in shame. The one old lady whom said I don’t want to be protected displayed more guts and courage than all the cowardly terrified individuals and politicians who have let this virus destroy the economy and a great deal of the basic fabrics of everyday life. All in the name of keeping people safe. 
The negative and hysterical coverage is relentless on MSM. Not difficult to see this circuit breaker bollocks being slipped in seeing as it’s mentioned day in day out. Current situation ref cases would indicate to even the most pathetic lockdown supporting individual that the original attempt to suppress this virus as they put it has failed miserably. 
I guess a good few politicians are desperate for a vaccine more for a get out option of the mess they created than a cure for Covid. I’d imagine the numbers of deaths we have now will all of a sudden become acceptable once a vaccine is in circulation as are the normal yearly Flu casualty statistics. 

I have heard this from several  of the older generation (70+)-  what kind of life are they ‘saving’ us for.. One customer of mine said trust me it’s not much fun when you get to this age! They don’t want to spend their last years in isolation and would sooner take the risk whilst taking sensible precautions where neccesary.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Matthew Storrs

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

1 hour ago, Haironyourchest said:

I'll just leave this here.

 

Coronavirus: Man Scolded for Cuddling Grieving Elderly Mother at Funeral

WWW.BREITBART.COM

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A funeral director interrupted a funeral to tell a man to stop...

 

Impart a minor degree of ‘authority’ in certain types and it’s guaranteed to end badly. 
 

Lucky he wasn’t put on his ass. 

[The avantgardener]

So the Covid 19 suffering Donald Trump has just returned to the Whitehouse after three days, not out of breath and not a hair out of place, he has stated “Who knows, I may be immune”. Takes his mask off and walks into the Whitehouse where there are 30 staff, he has told them that he doesn’t want anyone to wear a mask in his presence, no quarantine necessary.

So, the question is,
1)Has he actually had Covid 19?or 

2)Is Covid 19 not a serious virus for the majority of the population to even worry about?

[The avantgardener]

6 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

Impart a minor degree of ‘authority’ in certain types and it’s guaranteed to end badly. 
 

Lucky he wasn’t put on his ass. 

If it was me I would have put him on his ass, then picked him up to do it again, what a knob.