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45 minutes ago, Big J said:

I think you are exaggerating the regard with which China regard the west. The Chinese own half of Africa now, and with the African subcontinent developing as an emerging market (as well as 1.3 billion Indians), we in the west are a declining market. 

 

I dearly hope that we see an improvement in animal welfare in China. Not simply for the preservation of our own species, but simply for the sake of the poor animals involved. It's just a different culture, with a different moral compass and whilst it's not possible to draw direct parallels with Western Civilisation, it wasn't that long ago that we had concentration camps or America had the institutionalised barbarism that was slavery. Give them time. 

 

We expect the rest of the world to develop morality in accordance with our own views on the matter. Quite apart from the fact that such a view is extremely arrogant, we forget that we've had two millenia to steadily form our national identity, our moral compass. This has coincided with a more organic adoption of new technologies and philosophies. And we often conveniently forget that Britain had a spectacularly prominent role in exploiting the world for it's own gain during the 18th, 19th and 20th century, bringing our version of 'civilisation' to cultures that we perhaps not yet equipped to have it thrust upon them.

 

I say this with the proviso that I in no way defend some of the morally abhorant cultural practices found China (such as live food markets) but that the situation is in no way black and white and we have played our role in their histories and we are certainly far from innocent in the matter.

Was only quoting what has been said and not my words...and yes I know never believe what the papers say but I do think that it is about time these wet market ps are banned and you can tell me if i’am wrong but the powers that be in China are in the process of doing exactly that...they will need to do something to appease the west who they do vast amounts of trade with and I believe that out of everything bad what happens in this world it’s is the catalyst for something good to come out of it.

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50 minutes ago, Big J said:

I think you are exaggerating the regard with which China regard the west. The Chinese own half of Africa now, and with the African subcontinent developing as an emerging market (as well as 1.3 billion Indians), we in the west are a declining market. 

 

I dearly hope that we see an improvement in animal welfare in China. Not simply for the preservation of our own species, but simply for the sake of the poor animals involved. It's just a different culture, with a different moral compass and whilst it's not possible to draw direct parallels with Western Civilisation, it wasn't that long ago that we had concentration camps or America had the institutionalised barbarism that was slavery. Give them time. 

 

We expect the rest of the world to develop morality in accordance with our own views on the matter. Quite apart from the fact that such a view is extremely arrogant, we forget that we've had two millenia to steadily form our national identity, our moral compass. This has coincided with a more organic adoption of new technologies and philosophies. And we often conveniently forget that Britain had a spectacularly prominent role in exploiting the world for it's own gain during the 18th, 19th and 20th century, bringing our version of 'civilisation' to cultures that we perhaps not yet equipped to have it thrust upon them.

 

I say this with the proviso that I in no way defend some of the morally abhorant cultural practices found China (such as live food markets) but that the situation is in no way black and white and we have played our role in their histories and we are certainly far from innocent in the matter.

China was advanced long before we were, they have had more than enough time to get their act together,

 

We may have had a major impact on many undeveloped countries in the past, for good and ill I would argue, but China ain't one of them. 

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Anyway enough of all this disagreement and back to the point in question..who’s going to work today? Well not me as since this past week I seem to be the only one in my close who has been to work all week my garden is looking shit...you can tell who hasn’t been to work by just looking at how tidy the gardens are and all the fencing what has been painted...I got today to catch up.

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I'll be at the yard today having a catch up. Back to it next week- make hay whilst the sun shines- ie, whilst the weather is good, people still have money and we're still allowed to work outdoors!

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1 minute ago, Big J said:

I disagree. The British empire ruined many an advanced civilisation in it's time. 

 

India was a leading economy, an advanced civilisation, before the British decimated country for it's own gain. The Opium Wars with China effectively came about due to Chinese resistance to the British inebriating their population with thousands of tonnes of opium. The British took Hong Kong as a result.

 

I'm not saying that we personally have responsibility for these events - that would be daft. However, the British Empire really did a number on huge swathes of the world and to claim otherwise is incorrect.

Your in the wrong game j you should be lecturing modern history at a university somewhere...if I had your knowledge I wouldn’t be busting my balls doing what I do(even though I love it and wouldn’t want to do anything else.

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6 minutes ago, Stere said:

does that kill a virus?

 

 

It kills 99% of known germs. Bogroll kills non ( virus dont respond to antibiotics mind they different) K

Posted
4 minutes ago, Khriss said:

Tell that to the coppers proscecuting those little scrotes fr coughing at them. K

When you cough you spray WATER droplets. If it were AIR borne, 2M distance would do FA, just being in the same room as someone would be enough for you to catch it.

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