Who’s going to work today?

[Khriss]

7 minutes ago, aspenarb said:

True Kriss, probably going to be a baby boom now

 

Bob

Not from me Bob, I'm firing blanks mate ? K

[Khriss]

6 minutes ago, Big J said:

Agreed, but as you pointed out, the Brits were more successful in their empire building exploits, so by extension had a far greater impact in the development of India and the African subcontinent than any other nation. Having reaped the benefit of those exploits, collectively and historically, the country has a responsibility to acknowledge that impact. Or you could divorce yourself from reality and be like Jacob Rees Mogg and say that the concentration camps in the Boer Wars were there for the protection of the people in them! ? ?

Dont forget just how many viruses We took to far shores also, J,  wiped a lot of societies out..... Ummm yes. K

[Big J]

Just now, trigger_andy said:

But just as the fast majority of the German people today should not bear any guilt to the Nazi Germany period, nor should feel any guilt to the fact that vast majority of their grand parents or great grandparents where Nazis we should not feel any collective guilt for what the British Empire did for a select few rich men nominally in London for the Government or the EIC. 

I agree. 

 

I think we're missing the point here. I'm not trying to say we all carry the guilt of the exploits of the British Empire, in quite the same way that almost everyone in Germany alive today had nothing to do with WW2.

 

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be quite so quick to look down our noses at other cultures because they don't adhere to our cultural or moral norms. I certainly don't for a second agree with live food markets (quite vehemently the opposite) but it pays to take a broader view of the historical context, and also to be cognisant of the fact that our culture has plenty to be ashamed of in our not to distant history.

 

So rather than resorting to racial slurs and dengrating entire cultures, lets look at this as the start of a learning experience for everyone. Hopefully the Chinese (with diplomatic pressure from other countries) will look at the live food markets as something unsustainable and bring about their end. That can't be something that is simply legislated against though, as it requires a cultural shift to avoid the industry being pushed underground. 

Either way, it's above my pay grade! ?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Khriss said:

Dont forget just how many viruses We took to far shores also, J,  wiped a lot of societies out..... Ummm yes. K

I assume you're including the Spanish and Portuguese here? I could be wrong but I think they impacted far more people than the Brits did in this regard?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Big J said:

What I'm saying is that we shouldn't be quite so quick to look down our noses at other cultures because they don't adhere to our cultural or moral norms.

I dont think being repulsed at a people who rip the skin off a living animal and leaving it in a pile of others to die a slow death is a cultural or moral norm. Its basic humanity. 

 

4 minutes ago, Big J said:

and also to be cognisant of the fact that our culture has plenty to be ashamed of in our not to distant history.

I think all cultures do. But with so many examples and lessons throughout the world's history there really is no reason to repeat the same mistakes. Its also other country's moral duty, maybe via UN, to point out to country's that voluntarily continue down a path is is obviously abhorrent to the rest of the world that its simply no longer acceptable.

 

10 minutes ago, Big J said:

That can't be something that is simply legislated against though, as it requires a cultural shift to avoid the industry being pushed underground. 

Maybe, or maybe not. But I think we'll see a significant step-chance in the way China operates if there is enough of an outcry once this C-19 has run its course. And about time too, we cannot and should not keep our heads in the sand any longer.

[Big J]

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

I dont think being repulsed at a people who rip the skin off a living animal and leaving it in a pile of others to die a slow death is a cultural or moral norm. Its basic humanity. 

 

I think all cultures do. But with so many examples and lessons throughout the world's history there really is no reason to repeat the same mistakes. Its also other country's moral duty, maybe via UN, to point out to country's that voluntarily continue down a path is is obviously abhorrent to the rest of the world that its simply no longer acceptable.

 

Maybe, or maybe not. But I think we'll see a significant step-chance in the way China operates if there is enough of an outcry once this C-19 has run its course. And about time too, we cannot and should not keep our heads in the sand any longer.

Again, I agree, especially on the animal rights side of things. I was vegan for 8 years through my late teens and early 20s. It's something that I find particularly awful.

 

But following on from that, the best way to enact sustained change is by education and not by humiliation and shaming. I do not know the best way to tackle this issue, but it's also an issue in the African subcontinent too, with bushmeat being the primary source of ebola and other such horrifying infections.

[Khriss]

I am Not stopping eating squirrel fr anyone - just sayin. K

[devon TWiG]

one of the main reasons that live meat markets exist is due to lack of refrigeration to keep meat healthy .......we do the same   here with crab and lobster !!

Edited March 29, 2020 by devon TWiG

[Richard 1234]

5 minutes ago, devon TWiG said:

one of the main reasons that live meat markets exist is due to lack of refrigeration to keep meat healthy .......we do the same   here with crab and lobster !!

True but that argument falls flat in massive cities like Wuhan. It’s not the dark ages there.

out in the vast Chinese countryside it is a valid argument since they still live in mud huts!

[devon TWiG]

1 minute ago, Richard 1234 said:

True but that argument falls flat in massive cities like Wuhan. It’s not the dark ages there.

out in the vast Chinese countryside it is a valid argument since they still live in mud huts!

it is a cultural / tradition  thing I guess and suspect electricity is a recent thing .