Covid-19

[Youngstu]

16 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Damn, the UK government proving to have gotten more and more right as time passes. 

 

Will be ignored by the haters but even they must begrudgingly admit that after a rocky start they're doing rather well now. 

 

We've also delivered 10% of the worlds doses to the UK population. Another massive and ignored milestone that the Government should be very proud of. 

To use an imperfect analogy, they're doing well like an oil company that buys some safer ships and cleans up some seabirds and the oil that washed up onto the beach after their tanker spilled millions of gallons of oil off the coast ! 

Hooray we might see the end of the pandemic before some other countries, unfortunately their delays and repeated incompetence and mishandling have resulted in 100000+ deaths...

[Johnsond]

6 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

To use an imperfect analogy, they're doing well like an oil company that buys some safer ships and cleans up some seabirds and the oil that washed up onto the beach after their tanker spilled millions of gallons of oil off the coast ! 

Hooray we might see the end of the pandemic before some other countries, unfortunately their delays and repeated incompetence and mishandling have resulted in 100000+ deaths...

So it’s the 4 devolved powers that are responsible for  the 100000+ deaths then !!. 
The reality is the amount of factors involved are so complex that the imposition of even tighter lockdowns and restrictions may turn out to be a bit part player when all this is analysed in detail which it will most certainly will be. The rabid criticism dished out by the full on lockdown zealots to anyone whom questioned any of the measures is just part of the current tone. There was an excellent balanced and informed article on channel 4 news  where the actual effects of non compliance in some stubbornly high covid rate areas was dismissed as insignificant in comparison to other social aspects ie housing, working environment and population density etc etc. 

 

[Youngstu]

9 hours ago, Johnsond said:

So it’s the 4 devolved powers that are responsible for  the 100000+ deaths then !!. 
The reality is the amount of factors involved are so complex that the imposition of even tighter lockdowns and restrictions may turn out to be a bit part player when all this is analysed in detail which it will most certainly will be. The rabid criticism dished out by the full on lockdown zealots to anyone whom questioned any of the measures is just part of the current tone. There was an excellent balanced and informed article on channel 4 news  where the actual effects of non compliance in some stubbornly high covid rate areas was dismissed as insignificant in comparison to other social aspects ie housing, working environment and population density etc etc. 

 

Yes you would be absolutely right to lay the blame at the 4 devolved powers but with those totals being: 

101,311 for England

1,957 for NI

6,551 for Scotland

5,032 for Wales

 

One Country in the UK seems to have done much worse (or suffered worst) from the year of delays, ditherings and general cock ups.

My point was that no amount of great work in getting and dishing out the vaccine better than other countries makes up for the cock ups that have led to us having one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

 

[Mesterh]

On 09/02/2021 at 19:10, trigger_andy said:

Well thats blatantly not true.

 

Its a terrible analogy. 

 

 

It was Lord Falconer, the Labour shadow Attorney General, not just some politician. And about the only time I believe a word they say is when they have been caught on tape unaware and when speaking with their fellow cronies, its about the only time you'll hear a word of truth out of them as Im sure you're well aware. 

 

There is a plethora of countries you could add to that list. Belgium, Norway, Finland, France etc etc The list goes on and on regarding Western Counties that have had vastly varying rules and restrictions in place and generally negligible differences in deaths and contagion cases.   

Ha, who says it isn't true is just as likely to be as true as your story.

Surely you don't really believe what your saying. You think sage, the government etc are keeping us in these lockdowns so they can line their own pockets?

[trigger_andy]

Just now, Mesterh said:

You think sage, the government etc are keeping us in these lockdowns so they can line their own pockets?

I think there is many facets as to why we're being forced into such a draconian lock-down. 

 

Arse covering for a very poor initial reaction, blame for this can also be laid firmly at the WHO's feet though. 

 

Arse covering for continual cock-ups and wildly wrong predictions. 

 

When you hear it from the horses mouth when they have their guard down then yes, Id be inclined to believe them when they're caught with their pants down and rubbing their hands in glee. 

 

And you just have to follow the money with the Tories. The Track and Trace App and numerous other contracts being awarded to their mates. We're talking billions here.

 

To say that this pandemic has not been used to line their own pockets is at best naïve and at worse self induced ignorance. 

[sime42]

I think there is many facets as to why we're being forced into such a draconian lock-down. 
 
Arse covering for a very poor initial reaction, blame for this can also be laid firmly at the WHO's feet though. 
 
Arse covering for continual cock-ups and wildly wrong predictions. 
 
When you hear it from the horses mouth when they have their guard down then yes, Id be inclined to believe them when they're caught with their pants down and rubbing their hands in glee. 
 
And you just have to follow the money with the Tories. The Track and Trace App and numerous other contracts being awarded to their mates. We're talking billions here.
 
To say that this pandemic has not been used to line their own pockets is at best naïve and at worse self induced ignorance. 

There seems to be a change of stance going on here. I guess that's as close as we're ever going to get to seeing a drop of humility.
Some of us have been highlighting the massive failings made by the English government for months now, only to be shouted down every time. Funny how things change .........

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, Youngstu said:

Yes you would be absolutely right to lay the blame at the 4 devolved powers but with those totals being: 

101,311 for England

1,957 for NI

6,551 for Scotland

5,032 for Wales

 

One Country in the UK seems to have done much worse (or suffered worst) from the year of delays, ditherings and general cock ups.

My point was that no amount of great work in getting and dishing out the vaccine better than other countries makes up for the cock ups that have led to us having one of the highest death rates in the world. 

 

 

Population density and sheer numbers alone are always gonna put England at a disadvantage statistics wise. My point is you have dripped on and criticised every single move that’s been made since this started. You have slated anyone whom disagreed with lockdown as a tool. The number of deaths are as people are starting to see attributable to so  many other factors than just slating government and non mask wearers etc. 

[Johnsond]

32 minutes ago, sime42 said:

There seems to be a change of stance going on here. I guess that's as close as we're ever going to get to seeing a drop of humility.
Some of us have been highlighting the massive failings made by the English government for months now, only to be shouted down every time. Funny how things change .........

Talk about read into something to suit your own narrative. Nothing changes in regards the arrogance of some. 

[Khriss]

On 09/02/2021 at 17:55, Stubby said:

Well they would not be as there is not a grannie in sight . However shrimps and crabs not wearing masks is ...well  just irresponsible sea food .  

Could be considered 'shellfish behaviour'  k

[sime42]

Talk about read into something to suit your own narrative. Nothing changes in regards the arrogance of some. 

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