Covid-19

[sime42]

No, Im with you on that. I really do not wish to take a rushed through vaccine for something that for the 99.99% of the time will have no affect on me. My Father-in-law has just taken it, his opinion is he'll be dead before any ill effects come to light anyway. I can see that reasoning. When you have to sign a waiver to take it its quite worrying but in my main job I'll have little choice. I'm spending way to much time in quarantine as it is and now the bloody SNP in their bid to out-do Boris has insisted that travelers from every country has to do a 10 day mandatory quarantine in a hotel at a cost of £1750.
 
Id be far happier taking the the traditional Oxford type vaccine as its a tried and tested method, but admittedly with unknown long term side efects. The Pfizer one is a huge unknown and I really hope its not the once forced on me. 

My missus, my mother, my uncle, my sister-in-law ....... have all had their first dose. Non of them had to sign anything as far as I'm aware. They may have and just not mentioned it, but I know for certain that my partner didn't sign a thing. She had the Oxford vaccine.

[sime42]

Don’t apologise for something you didn’t do 🤷‍♂️[emoji849]. There are no medals for occupancy of the moral high ground 🤮🤮. 
That’s the Hermes Birkin parked for today. 

We've been over this before I'm sure. There's nothing wrong with apologising for poor behaviour. It's just good manners and shows some humility. Something that's sadly missing on here all too often. Nothing to do with moral high ground.
I had to look up the Hermes Birkin btw, probably the first and last time!

[Rob D]

2 hours ago, Mesterh said:

Hey I'm not saying people aren't making huge amounts of money out of this, of course they are that is obvious. But you aren't saying that are you. You are suggesting that these people are making serious decisions affecting millions with the intention to line their back pockets, that is a completely different thing altogether.

 

 

 

If you get a chance have a look at the £22 billion the gov spent on track and trace. The companies it went to and their in-direct affiliation with gov. And the shambles it turned out to be.

 

Because that looks to me very much like these people are making serious decisions affecting millions with the intention to line their back pockets [and those they know].

 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

We've been over this before I'm sure. There's nothing wrong with apologising for poor behaviour. It's just good manners and shows some humility. Something that's sadly missing on here all too often. Nothing to do with moral high ground.
I had to look up the Hermes Birkin btw, probably the first and last time!

Peasant 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, sime42 said:

We've been over this before I'm sure. There's nothing wrong with apologising for poor behaviour. It's just good manners and shows some humility. Something that's sadly missing on here all too often. Nothing to do with moral high ground.
I had to look up the Hermes Birkin btw, probably the first and last time!

Nothing was done or said to warrant an apology in reality. As I’ve said before don’t be such a bloody politically correct wet blanket. 

[trigger_andy]

30 minutes ago, Rob D said:

 

If you get a chance have a look at the £22 billion the gov spent on track and trace. The companies it went to and their in-direct affiliation with gov. And the shambles it turned out to be.

 

Because that looks to me very much like these people are making serious decisions affecting millions with the intention to line their back pockets [and those they know].

 

I think its more of a personal dig to be honest. Had someone else said as much he'd most likely agreed with the sentiments and then he'd have  Mr Wet Blanket nodding sagely in the background. 

[Youngstu]

6 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Population density and sheer numbers alone are always gonna put England at a disadvantage statistics wise. My point is you have dripped on and criticised every single move that’s been made since this started. You have slated anyone whom disagreed with lockdown as a tool. The number of deaths are as people are starting to see attributable to so  many other factors than just slating government and non mask wearers etc. 

And in contrast for the last however many months you've gone on and on about how you hate lockdown, masks etc etc and attacked anyone who can be bothered to disagree with your point of view despite the likelihood of receiving a barrage of derogatory comments in response. 

I am very willing to criticise the government and their policies when I disagree with them or think they've made difficult decisions at the wrong time. I'm happy to say if I think they've done the right thing (like managing to get their hands on sufficient vaccine stocks for our population, although I don't think this makes up for the cockups in any way). 

When we're in the midst of a third lockdown, arguably each one instigated weeks later than they should have been (according to many scientists) it is surely understandable that criticisms are made. I agree that there are many other factors affecting the death rates, but if Boris & co had made those difficult decisions earlier each time maybe they wouldn't have had to last as long or  resulted in so many hospitalisations or deaths. Maybe if they'd prioritised track and trace, closed borders in Feb/March last year or this year the waves may have been smaller.  They didn't do those things, we can't turn back the clock but a lot of people have died and lost loved ones unnecessarily early as a result of these delayed decisions.

What would you have done to try and reduce the impact of the pandemic on the population of the UK? 

[Johnsond]

14 minutes ago, Youngstu said:

And in contrast for the last however many months you've gone on and on about how you hate lockdown, masks etc etc and attacked anyone who can be bothered to disagree with your point of view despite the likelihood of receiving a barrage of derogatory comments in response. 

I am very willing to criticise the government and their policies when I disagree with them or think they've made difficult decisions at the wrong time. I'm happy to say if I think they've done the right thing (like managing to get their hands on sufficient vaccine stocks for our population, although I don't think this makes up for the cockups in any way). 

When we're in the midst of a third lockdown, arguably each one instigated weeks later than they should have been (according to many scientists) it is surely understandable that criticisms are made. I agree that there are many other factors affecting the death rates, but if Boris & co had made those difficult decisions earlier each time maybe they wouldn't have had to last as long or  resulted in so many hospitalisations or deaths. Maybe if they'd prioritised track and trace, closed borders in Feb/March last year or this year the waves may have been smaller.  They didn't do those things, we can't turn back the clock but a lot of people have died and lost loved ones unnecessarily early as a result of these delayed decisions.

What would you have done to try and reduce the impact of the pandemic on the population of the UK? 

You seem to have all answers admittedly with the benefit of hindsight. You whine on incessantly I’m afraid about decisions being made by everyone etc etc. Yes I hate lockdown it has destroyed mine and many self employed people’s livelihoods. As for what would I have done excuse me if I skip that clumsy bit of  bait. Although many have suggested alternatives myself included even as recently as today I get the feeling it would be a pointless, excruciating endeavour. 

[Youngstu]

21 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

You whine on incessantly I’m afraid about decisions being made by everyone etc etc.

Considering your post count on this and similar threads, complaining and arguing relentlessly  about the same things over and over, I can only assume that you are making this statement with your tongue firmly lodged in your cheek. 

 

Just for clarity,  having had to shut down my own business for 6 months last year, I have absolute sympathy for you and others whose livelihoods have been destroyed as a result of what has happened over the last year, but I do still think that appropriately timed lockdowns were and are a necessary measure in reducing the spread of this and potentially other pandemics. 

[Tippin Alaybye]

No, Im with you on that. I really do not wish to take a rushed through vaccine for something that for the 99.99% of the time will have no affect on me. My Father-in-law has just taken it, his opinion is he'll be dead before any ill effects come to light anyway. I can see that reasoning. When you have to sign a waiver to take it its quite worrying but in my main job I'll have little choice. I'm spending way to much time in quarantine as it is and now the bloody SNP in their bid to out-do Boris has insisted that travelers from every country has to do a 10 day mandatory quarantine in a hotel at a cost of £1750.
 
Id be far happier taking the the traditional Oxford type vaccine as its a tried and tested method, but admittedly with unknown long term side efects. The Pfizer one is a huge unknown and I really hope its not the once forced on me. 

Very glad to have received my second Pfizer vaccine. Didn’t sign anything now or first time. Asked if I was presently unwell etc.
The nurse then surprisingly asked what I did for a living. I said I was Professor of statistical virology with an interest in immunology. She said I should be on Arbtalk