Should a referendum on Scottish independence only include people living in Scotland?

[Baldbloke]

SCOTLAND?

 

 

Although Scotland is governmentally partly devolved from Westminster, there are many mutual dependencies between the four parts of the U.K.

Scotland generates higher renewable output, some of which is used in England. England is a major ‘export’ for Scotland. Taxes are largely shared. The pound is shared.

So, as well as doing ongoing untold damage to our relationship with the relationship with the U.K. Government, what right does Sturgeon have in assuming that only Scottish people should have a say in becoming independent, and that she should be allowed another chance a mere 5 years from the previous unsuccessful attempt?

 

 

[Bolt]

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Edited November 28, 2019 by Bolt
got distracted by the TVI woodland thread..... far more interesting! 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Baldbloke said:

SCOTLAND?

 

 

Although Scotland is governmentally partly devolved from Westminster, there are many mutual dependencies between the four parts of the U.K.

Scotland generates higher renewable output, some of which is used in England. England is a major ‘export’ for Scotland. Taxes are largely shared. The pound is shared.

So, as well as doing ongoing untold damage to our relationship with the relationship with the U.K. Government, what right does Sturgeon have in assuming that only Scottish people should have a say in becoming independent, and that she should be allowed another chance a mere 5 years from the previous unsuccessful attempt?

 

 

She has no right nor democratic mandate with just over a third of the electorate voting SNP. The government is backed up by the greens too to sustain many of the policies or decisions it makes. Truth is if she had made a cracking job of running Scotland then maybe I or others could turn around and say yeah these lot might just be able to pull this off. But SNP governance has not shone through as an unbridled success at all. All that they focus on is indyref 2 to the detriment of everything else. 

[Baldbloke]

She has no right nor democratic mandate with just over a third of the electorate voting SNP. The government is backed up by the greens too to sustain many of the policies or decisions it makes. Truth is if she had made a cracking job of running Scotland then maybe I or others could turn around and say yeah these lot might just be able to pull this off. But SNP governance has not shone through as an unbridled success at all. All that they focus on is indyref 2 to the detriment of everything else. 

Totally agree, but as she carries a large proportion of the vote she is endangering Scotland of distancing itself from those it most relies on.
I’m sure many in England think because we live in Scotland that we all want to become an insular and independent country. This because of the public awareness of the SNPs very public shouting matches by their representatives in Westminster.
There’s many of us that are actually more horrified of an Independent Scotland (under SNP Governance) than any fear of leaving the EU.

[agrimog]

so, your willing to sucombe to the constant barage of lies and deceit we, as a nation has been fed for the last 300 years, or since the farsical so called union of parliaments, the first of the lies....the "great " union has only ever had one use for scotland, as a source of easy taxation  and to prop up the sweet homeland that surounds london, we are the only country in the world which has oil reserves, and food banks and child poverty, most of the oil revenue went into proping up the city of london and the home conties.....what did scotland get in return, to be guinea pigs for the poll tax,  come the elections on the 12thdec, we shall see what the feelings of the people of scotland are, till then its only theorys and polls, and funny how england has supported every other member of the great british comenwealth who saught independance, except for one, its cash cow

 

[jfc]

The b.s. that is brexit will cause Scottish independence. Scotland did not vote for brexit, it has highlighted the divisions with the UK, and tory politics which arent exactly popular up here. Its a foreseeable mess the tories have made, and been made the most of by the snp.

[scbk]

39 minutes ago, jfc said:

 Scotland did not vote for brexit, it has highlighted the divisions with the UK, and tory politics which arent exactly popular up here. Its a foreseeable mess the tories have made, and been made the most of by the snp.

 

[trigger_andy]

13 hours ago, Baldbloke said:

SCOTLAND?

 

 

Although Scotland is governmentally partly devolved from Westminster, there are many mutual dependencies between the four parts of the U.K.

Scotland generates higher renewable output, some of which is used in England. England is a major ‘export’ for Scotland. Taxes are largely shared. The pound is shared.

So, as well as doing ongoing untold damage to our relationship with the relationship with the U.K. Government, what right does Sturgeon have in assuming that only Scottish people should have a say in becoming independent, and that she should be allowed another chance a mere 5 years from the previous unsuccessful attempt?

 

 

I dont think Sturgeon is assuming only Scotland should become independent. I think she's quite happy to leave that matter up to NI and Wales. But she is very passionate about getting Scotland out of the Union and to remain in the EU. 

 

Lets see what the next general election brings, hopefully the decline of the SNP in Scotland will increase and her voice will diminish accordingly. 

[trigger_andy]

1 hour ago, jfc said:

The b.s. that is brexit will cause Scottish independence. Scotland did not vote for brexit, it has highlighted the divisions with the UK, and tory politics which arent exactly popular up here. Its a foreseeable mess the tories have made, and been made the most of by the snp.

 

What percentage voted for Scottish independent? 45%? Those that are desperate for Indi2 use this figure as some sort of validation for it. Yet 45% of the people in Scotland also voted for Brexit, yet they and the SNP are very quite on that front. You simply cannot have it both ways. 

 

Ive said it a thousand times but I'm pro-scottish independence but very much against being tied to the EU. I do not wish to swap being shackled to Westminster and replacing them with Brussles, so for that matter alone I would wish to remain in the Union, for at least another generation. Why Scotland feels it must suffer from this Stockholm Syndrome I'll never know. Scotland can quite easily be a prosperous small nation, much akin to Norway, but that would never happen being under the Yoke of the EU. The loss of our fishing grounds and the mass and unfettered influx of cheap Eastern European labour will continue to stifle the prospects on our youth to the point of making it barren and the skills level in Scotland will be in an even sharper downward spiral. 

 

On top of that Socialism is Cancer. The only reason the SNP hold the seats they do is offering the lazy, feckless and die-hard Braveheart supporters more and more for free, at the expense of all people above a moderate income. The SNP know their ground support and its not hard working people who work hard to earn their money. The SNP and their English counterparts Labour are the politics of greed and envy. 

 

So for all of the reasoning above, Im out.  

Edited November 29, 2019 by trigger_andy

[scbk]

Thanks to the snp, it's cheaper to buy Scotch whisky in England, than in the country it's made!